Hi everyone, Ive had some ongoing problems with LT as diagnosed by the state vet, and had been successful in removing infected birds from my flock and then vaccinating new birds. This was months ago and things have been ok.
I have had a problem lately which I am concerned about and Im wondering if anyone has experienced this:
I had some very young birds who were not thriving. These were babies that I hatched who were maybe 16 weeks old. a few of them got a sinus infection that differed from what I had seen in the past and didn't respond to meds all that well . it presents in a way that when I pressed on the cheek ares outside of the sinus , there would be a bit of clear and yellowish discharge coming from the nostrils, and then a little pop and a rush of bloody discharge.
ILT is identifiable by bits of bloody discharge coming from the trachea. The blood is whats different from other similar infections.
It seems like there is a little smell in the mouth with this. I hear that Coryza has a really bad smell...and I am someone with a very sensitive sense of smell, so I am assuming that its not that; that I would smell something really rancid with coryza.
I have removed any birds with this from the flock and put them down/buried them .
If a chicken has this it is lethargic, its tail is down, it still eats but it seems thin. Its unlikely that a hen would be laying, and it has a bit of clear discharge around the nose and maybe some running eyes or bubbles in the eye. There has also been a little of that harder white pus in the eye in a couple of birds.
If you press a little, even lightly, much snot comes out and usually it has lines of blood through it. if you press a little harder you can feel a pop and more blood and snot...as if there are small bubbles or abcesses in the sinus. They seem to feel a little better once drained a little but some go downhill fast. Its not always easy to spot the sick ones, as with other illnesses.
I am afraid that this came into the flock via a few bantam moderns that I got at a poultry show a while back. One of them was shaking her head in a strange way, and when I looked she had a big clump of what looked like hard pus in her throat, but maybe was a cyst. It was a big white thing and when I poked at it with an instrument, it was like hard pus. I was afraid that it was much worse ILT or something like that, but the mass was not IN the trachea. It was in the throat further down than the opening to the trachea. This mass bled like crazy when I poked it and tried to see if it was loose pus from the trachea or attached. It was attached and where it was bled when I pushed at it with a q-tip. I got rid of that bird and the ones with her.
I thought I would ask here if anyone has experienced a sinus infection that features bleeding in the sinus.
I was pretty disappointed with the state vet here when ILT was finally diagnosed. I was able to diagnose it myself long before they figured it out. They had suggestions that contradicted what is written in numerous studies that I've read and also they contradicted themselves again and again. The state vet was supposed to phone me back, but since she had few answers she blew it off. I could tell that she was exasperated because I kept asking specific questions that pointed out how the answers they had did not apply.
The only suggestions they have apply to the commercial poultry industry. They want you to get a vet to administer an eye drop vaccinations
Anyway, I am pretty sure that this is not ILT. I would like to vaccinate again for ILT, and am looking for instructions on how to do water vaccination for my flock rather than eye drops. but I can do eye drops if necessary.
Any suggestions will be appreciated. I currently have no identified sick chickens here. I want to send any others that get sick to the state for testing but I don't want to have a run-in with this vet again,; she is more up in arms about the fact that everyone sells the vaccine (its apparently against the law but its widely available, so how am I supposed to know not to buy it?) than interested in real suggestions that might help me with the illness at hand.
If this is how they act with ILT, how will they act with coryza or any other bad illness? ILT is a reportable disease in my state, and I understand their worry about commercial poultry industry, but I am not near any poultry factories and this is what it is; we have to work with whats happening rather than some ideal that makes no sense.
Like: burn all birds. We cant burn anything here without a permit. so they have to be buried deep.
The way things are going, I will have cleared out most of my flock by the time this is over. I just hope that the birds left wont be carriers, if they never had any symptoms at all. The ones that I have left have zero symptoms and no discharge or sinus problems.
I have 3 distinct coops and as much as biosecurity isnt perfect, it seems to have been good enough to prevent spread so far. But I do wonder if I have to assume that everyone has this thing....and I'm at a loss as to what it could be. I keep reading through the vet web sites and looking for what has blood in the sinus....
any help would be appreciated.
I have had a problem lately which I am concerned about and Im wondering if anyone has experienced this:
I had some very young birds who were not thriving. These were babies that I hatched who were maybe 16 weeks old. a few of them got a sinus infection that differed from what I had seen in the past and didn't respond to meds all that well . it presents in a way that when I pressed on the cheek ares outside of the sinus , there would be a bit of clear and yellowish discharge coming from the nostrils, and then a little pop and a rush of bloody discharge.
ILT is identifiable by bits of bloody discharge coming from the trachea. The blood is whats different from other similar infections.
It seems like there is a little smell in the mouth with this. I hear that Coryza has a really bad smell...and I am someone with a very sensitive sense of smell, so I am assuming that its not that; that I would smell something really rancid with coryza.
I have removed any birds with this from the flock and put them down/buried them .
If a chicken has this it is lethargic, its tail is down, it still eats but it seems thin. Its unlikely that a hen would be laying, and it has a bit of clear discharge around the nose and maybe some running eyes or bubbles in the eye. There has also been a little of that harder white pus in the eye in a couple of birds.
If you press a little, even lightly, much snot comes out and usually it has lines of blood through it. if you press a little harder you can feel a pop and more blood and snot...as if there are small bubbles or abcesses in the sinus. They seem to feel a little better once drained a little but some go downhill fast. Its not always easy to spot the sick ones, as with other illnesses.
I am afraid that this came into the flock via a few bantam moderns that I got at a poultry show a while back. One of them was shaking her head in a strange way, and when I looked she had a big clump of what looked like hard pus in her throat, but maybe was a cyst. It was a big white thing and when I poked at it with an instrument, it was like hard pus. I was afraid that it was much worse ILT or something like that, but the mass was not IN the trachea. It was in the throat further down than the opening to the trachea. This mass bled like crazy when I poked it and tried to see if it was loose pus from the trachea or attached. It was attached and where it was bled when I pushed at it with a q-tip. I got rid of that bird and the ones with her.
I thought I would ask here if anyone has experienced a sinus infection that features bleeding in the sinus.
I was pretty disappointed with the state vet here when ILT was finally diagnosed. I was able to diagnose it myself long before they figured it out. They had suggestions that contradicted what is written in numerous studies that I've read and also they contradicted themselves again and again. The state vet was supposed to phone me back, but since she had few answers she blew it off. I could tell that she was exasperated because I kept asking specific questions that pointed out how the answers they had did not apply.
The only suggestions they have apply to the commercial poultry industry. They want you to get a vet to administer an eye drop vaccinations
Anyway, I am pretty sure that this is not ILT. I would like to vaccinate again for ILT, and am looking for instructions on how to do water vaccination for my flock rather than eye drops. but I can do eye drops if necessary.
Any suggestions will be appreciated. I currently have no identified sick chickens here. I want to send any others that get sick to the state for testing but I don't want to have a run-in with this vet again,; she is more up in arms about the fact that everyone sells the vaccine (its apparently against the law but its widely available, so how am I supposed to know not to buy it?) than interested in real suggestions that might help me with the illness at hand.
If this is how they act with ILT, how will they act with coryza or any other bad illness? ILT is a reportable disease in my state, and I understand their worry about commercial poultry industry, but I am not near any poultry factories and this is what it is; we have to work with whats happening rather than some ideal that makes no sense.
Like: burn all birds. We cant burn anything here without a permit. so they have to be buried deep.
The way things are going, I will have cleared out most of my flock by the time this is over. I just hope that the birds left wont be carriers, if they never had any symptoms at all. The ones that I have left have zero symptoms and no discharge or sinus problems.
I have 3 distinct coops and as much as biosecurity isnt perfect, it seems to have been good enough to prevent spread so far. But I do wonder if I have to assume that everyone has this thing....and I'm at a loss as to what it could be. I keep reading through the vet web sites and looking for what has blood in the sinus....
any help would be appreciated.
