Cochin Bantam - What should improve here?

[joaomribeiro]

Hello everyone!
I have currently these colours of Cochin bantam:

- Black (2 males and 3 females)
- Black Mottled (2 males and 3 females)
- Blue Mottled (1 female)
- Gold Partridge (2 males and 2 females)
- Silver Partridge (2 males and 3 females)

Will put here some photos

What kind of good combinations to improve can I do? And what colours will I have from that crossing?

(Today I’ve put 1 black male with one black mottled and one blue mottled females, so I can take more blacks and blue also as blue is a colour I don’t have yet)

Thanks!!

 

[JacinLarkwell]

@Overo Mare

 

[Painted Calls]

I can't answer beyond BBS from your blues, blacks, and mottleds... But gorgeous birds!

@The Moonshiner

 

[joaomribeiro]

I can't answer beyond BBS from your blues, blacks, and mottleds... But gorgeous birds!

@The Moonshiner

Happy to hear your thoughts on those though

 

[Amer]

These ones are pretty good and round. The other ones are lacking in mass of floof.
I would recommend just breeding these two in order to get good blue and blacks (and mottled in the future) if improvement is your goal.

The partridge are far too light for the American Standard and don’t have the mahogany gene, but I don’t know where you live.
The silver hens are pretty. I would recommend focusing on female coloring, not the males. Just select those females with the best lacing.

I’m not really sure if the Standard is your goal, but those are just my observations.

 

[joaomribeiro]

These ones are pretty good and round. The other ones are lacking in mass of floof.
I would recommend just breeding these two in order to get good blue and blacks (and mottled in the future) if improvement is your goal.
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The partridge are far too light for the American Standard and don’t have the mahogany gene, but I don’t know where you live.
The silver hens are pretty. I would recommend focusing on female coloring, not the males. Just select those females with the best lacing.

I’m not really sure if the Standard is your goal, but those are just my observations.

I live in Portugal

I’ve done that yesterday precisely, join that black male with blue mottled female, so I can take good blues as I don’t have blue.

In terms of the partridges, do you have a photo of how an excellent silver or gold look like? Just for guidance. I suppose here I just need to keep improving the colour with males and females of same colour and not cross them with other colours. Am I right?

 

[Amer]

I live in Portugal

I’ve done that yesterday precisely, join that black male with blue mottled female, so I can take good blues as I don’t have blue.

In terms of the partridges, do you have a photo of how an excellent silver or gold look like? Just for guidance. I suppose here I just need to keep improving the colour with males and females of same colour and not cross them with other colours. Am I right?

Ok, so you don’t like in the US, so forget what I said about the gold being too light
https://sedgwickcommon.co.uk/sex-linking-and-double-mating/
To get the best coloring, you should pullet breed, breeding pullets with the best lacing, but it is ok if cockerels have spotting on their breasts.

 

[joaomribeiro]

Thank you mate!

Last question.
If I want to have a gold partridge like this on the photo, should I cross my gold partridge with my silver partridge? To push and evidentiate the zone in the ass? cause I’m seeing that the female on this photo has a wayyyy moreeee definition that mines in the grey/black zone on the ass. I dunno if this is called the laced term.

Or should I continue only to cross my gold male with gold females and find a better pattern?

 

[Amer]

You can cross them. I think your gold pencilled might not have the pattern gene, so I guess they would be straight partridge, which I think is known as “brown” in Cochins. Or you can embrace the unpencilled Cochins and breed for partridge males and unpencilled females.

 

[Amer]

Yeah, I shouldn’t have called them gold pencilled, just partridge.