Cockerel with Marek's?

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Hi everyone,

I have a Cream Legbar cockerel, T-Rex (named by a 4 year old), I got from a friend a couple months ago. He's less than a year old and I don't think he's vaccinated. About 10 days ago he started limping and progressively got worse. Two days ago he was so bad that he couldn't move his legs at all. When I picked him up his legs were completely limp and when I set him down he would flop forward and just lay there. This video was the day after I first noticed him limping.


Could this be Marek's? I have no experience with the disease at all. One of my 19 hens was limping for a little over a week this summer, but fully recovered. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but she limped the same way as my cockerel.

Quite a few of my hens are skinny. My cockerel has lost weight in the past few weeks as well and has a very prominent breast bone. Most of my flock has been molting this last month so I switched them from 20% organic layer feed to 22% organic grower feed which I typically make into a mash and soak overnight. They get all kinds of food scraps and recently I bought them some scratch to try and fatten them up (Also to give them something to do). They may need dewormed, but maybe it is something viral?

When I first noticed T-Rex limping I confined him to a dog crate, gave him Life-Lytes tablets (lots of vitamins, electrolytes and probiotics) in his water and gave him some B-Complex in his food. It didn't make a difference. He got worse every day, but still ate and drank.

Thursday night (3 nights ago) when he was at his worst I started giving him Saint John's Wort, oregano oil, raw garlic, cranberries, aronia berries and fermented feed along with the B-complex. I also have been using a PEMF (pulsing electromagnetic field) device - Bemer, on him twice a day. It promotes blood flow. On Monday, before I started using the Bemer on him, his comb was turning purple.
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The photo below was taken 5 minutes after the Bemer therapy photo above. The points that are still dark are from frostbite the week before. The white on his comb was food, not a disease.
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He seems to have bounced back a little now. He is crowing more and stands on his hocks. If I gently stand him up he can balance on one leg for a bit... until he crows. Then he falls back down to his hocks. He'll stand on his hocks for a long time before sitting completely down. This is a video from today.


Any insight of what this could be? Marek's? Something else? I haven't had any related deaths, otherwise I'd have had a necropsy done. I think T-Rex is going to recover if I keep up on my treatment. I can't say one thing in particular is helping him because I tried everything at once. Lol. He was going downhill fast and I'm sure he would have been dead already if I had not. Any ideas about what it might be are greatly appreciated!

I'm guessing that whatever it is was already in my flock and maybe the frostbite stressed T-Rex enough that he succumbed to the illness.
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I'm not much help but it almost looks like it hurts to put weight on that leg. Have you looked his leg over? Checked the bottoms of his feet? Is he doing this with both legs or just one? I know mareks causes lameness but this looks like he is in pain and is avoiding using that leg.:confused:
 
I thought maybe it was an injury at first, but the next day after I took the limping video he started stepping on his own feet, and stumbling. Then a day later he stopped walking altogether and couldn't move either of his legs. He just laid in the pine shavings and didn't move. He couldn't stand at all and had limp legs when I picked him up. It's definitely not an injury.
 
Sorry about T-Rex, but unfortunately, that does look like Mareks. His left leg seems numb in most of the videos, and Mareks can cause the sitting on hocks. It is such a shame to watch him look so pitiful. I am sure that it will be hard on your 4 year old.

I would get a necropsy by your state vet or poultry lab, just to confirm the diagnosis, because there could be some infection elsewhere in his body that could affect his sciatic nerves. He could have come to you with the disease if he was exposed elsewhere, but hard to know since you had one earlier with similar symptoms who recovered. It takes at least 3 weeks after exposure for symptoms to possibly show up. All birds in the flock whether vaccinated or not would be considered carriers for life. Riboflavin deficiency can look a bit like Mareks with sitting on hocks, curling under of toes, and eventually complete lameness if not treated early. That is why trying a vitamin with B2 riboflavin is good to use for a couple of weeks. Sorry that you are dealing with this sad possibility.
 
Thanks everyone. I think my flock had Marek's before T-Rex's arrival. I had a limping lady this summer. She started walking normal after a few weeks. Nobody else has any paralysis.

Has anyone had a bird recover from paralysis like this?

Three days ago he couldn't stand on his legs or hocks at all. Today he balanced on one leg and was kicking me when I picked him up.
 
I have not dealt with Mareks myself, but there can be occasional improvement of symptoms after an initial period of paralysis in some, only to have the disease symptoms with tumor formation return later. Testing is the best thing to do. There is a lab in GA that will test feather shafts or blood for the Mareks virus. But the best way and probably most accurate is to collect samples of tumor tissue and feather shafts during a necropsy after death. Here is a list of state poultry vets:
https://www.metzerfarms.com/PoultryLabs.cfm
 

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