Cornish X mortality rates - my personal experiences

AgroUrica

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I've seen a lot of threads started about the mortality rates of these birds and though I've only been at it for 6 months or so, I thought my personal experiences might be of interest to some. I spend a lot of time with my birds and take lots of notes. So, here goes.

My first group of 300 Cornish X chicks I started back in early Feb and am now working with Group No. 6. Since Feb we've gone from our dry season or summer to our rainy season (winter) with dramatic changes in temperatures, humidity, and of course, rainfall. I keep daily records on the birds, including ambient temps, and note any behavioral changes, treatments, and deaths.

Most of my birds are harvested by day 42 though I run my data collection out to day 45 for those birds that might remain.

Here's a summary to date of my experiences:

Group No. 1 - 300 chicks, introduced 2 Feb. Final mortality - 3%. These birds were started during the middle of our summer....virtually no rainfall; dry conditions, low humidity, warm/hot days and cool nights. Didn't lose a single bird until day 25 and those that died thereafter were most definitely heat-related.

Group No. 2 - 300 chicks, introduced 20 March. Final mortality - 3%. Still summertime here in Venezuela in late March. First death occurred on day 10 while birds were still in their brooder. Note: my brooder is a converted outside bathroom. It actually works quite well in that once at temperature, it holds the temperature relatively stable for the average 24 hour cycle. Most the remaining deaths occurred very near slaughter date and were definitely heat-related.

Group No. 3 - 200 chicks, introduced on 5 April. Final mortality - 1%. A very warm and dry month generally. This year we had some hard rains in the latter half of the month. First bird died on day 12, one day before moving the group out of the brooder. Only one other chick from this group died, that being a tiny fellow who just never caught up with the rest. He died on day 26.

Group No. 4 - 200 chicks, introduced on 15 May. This group is still in progress, registering day 33 right now. Mortality to date is 7%. The group arrived with one DOA and I suffocated 2 as I was unloading the birds in the brooder by stupidly setting the shipping box down on top of two chicks. I was sick; but anyway, live and learn. Lots of rain, daily and it seems to have a negative effect on the birds. Between day 7 and day 22 I lost a couple of birds for no apparent reason...they just dropped dead. I moved this group out of the brooder on day 16. On day 23 I noted a bloody stool, then more, and then a bunch of bloody stools. On day 24 a total of 7 birds, otherwise healthy-looking birds, dropped dead. I scrambled to buy a treatment for coccicidosis and started the birds that same day. I did note that their bedding was unusually wet. The birds stabilized, losing one on day 25 but none since. As mentioned, they're now on day 33 and all look to be in good shape though the hens appear smaller-than-average for birds of this age. I've decided to let this group, run out to age 42 days before slaughter. I normally begin slaughtering some males on day 36.

Group No. 5 - 300 chicks, introduced on 31 May. Easily the worst-looking group of birds I've had. In the first 8 days I had a total of 7 deaths, one being DOA. They just never looked good in the brooder. I suspect, based on behavior, that the temps were too low and I didn't have enough feeder space. This meant some birds fed better and more often than others and those that didn't feed weakened and were trampled by the larger birds. I moved the birds out of the brooder on day 13 and their demeanor and overall appearance approved immediately. I've still lost a few since the move (smaller weaker birds) but they appear much more stable. I do note a much wider variance in sizes than normal and suspect this will continue until slaughter. On day 17 (yesterday) I noted a bloody stool and immediately put the birds on treatment for coccicidosis. They appear healthy today with good appetites. Mortality to date is 3.3%.

Group No. 6 - 200 chicks, introduced on 12 June. These birds look great so far. It appears I'm controlling the brooder temps better and also installed more feeders. I've also started these birds on a new feed that has a higher protein content. One bird died for no apparent reason so mortality currently stands at .05%.
 
If you are processing them at 6 weeks, your mortality rates are naturally going to be better than the rest of us. I think alot of ppl grow them out to 8-10 weeks, and that is a period when the heart and leg problems can really ramp up. All my losses were at week 8, mere days from processing.
 
If you are processing them at 6 weeks, your mortality rates are naturally going to be better than the rest of us. I think alot of ppl grow them out to 8-10 weeks, and that is a period when the heart and leg problems can really ramp up. All my losses were at week 8, mere days from processing.

Indeed. Add heat on the order of 85-90F and when the birds get past 6 weeks it really takes a toll. I did produce some birds out to about 8 weeks for added size but cut back on the commercial feeds and added ground corn....results were pretty decent.

For now with the rains, it seems coccidiosis is the greatest threat.
 
Yeah, high temps and wet conditions are ideal for [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]cocci to reproduce quickly. When I first started doing meat birds I refused to use any medications, but after seeing the effects of cocci, I give a quick treatment at the first site of bloody droppings. I would say that is definitely the reason you are seeing such a variation in sizes. If they get a heavy load, the variation is greater than what would typically be between males and females. I've also found that it gets worse the longer you use the same area. It's my understanding it takes some really cold weather or some really hot/dry weather to kill off any protozoa in the soil.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thanks for sharing this! I wish I had the time to keep such good records. I have enough trouble keeping track of the amount of feed I use per tractor when I have multiple batches running.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you know which company breeds your CX (Cobb, Vantress, Hubbard, ect..)? I'm just curious if they one of the strains offered in the states.[/FONT]
 
Yeah, high temps and wet conditions are ideal for [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]cocci to reproduce quickly. When I first started doing meat birds I refused to use any medications, but after seeing the effects of cocci, I give a quick treatment at the first site of bloody droppings. I would say that is definitely the reason you are seeing such a variation in sizes. If they get a heavy load, the variation is greater than what would typically be between males and females. I've also found that it gets worse the longer you use the same area. It's my understanding it takes some really cold weather or some really hot/dry weather to kill off any protozoa in the soil.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thanks for sharing this! I wish I had the time to keep such good records. I have enough trouble keeping track of the amount of feed I use per tractor when I have multiple batches running.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you know which company breeds your CX (Cobb, Vantress, Hubbard, ect..)? I'm just curious if they one of the strains offered in the states.[/FONT]
Thanks for the comments BRF. I have to update my notes daily, sometimes multiple times during the day or it gets overwhelming quickly. Right now I've got 4 different groups of birds all varying in age from 8 days to being slaughtered. I know that's risky but I'm doing my best in regards to biosecurity and overall cleanliness. As an example, today I washed 100% of the waterers in soapy warm water with clorox added.

As for your specific question about which breeding company, I do not know yet. And it's interesting that you ask. A month or so ago I bought a 640 egg incubator with the intention of producing my own chicks via the purchase of fertile eggs. However, I ran into a stone wall shortly after the purchase.

It appears that virtually all of the chicks being hatched in-country are from eggs that are being imported from Colombia. Obviously, if the eggs were being produced here, one would think it would be relatively easy to negotiate a couple of boxes of fertile eggs on a monthly. However, the few contacts I've made have been really tight with information. Yesterday, the vet who takes care of my cattle and is well-connected with people from one of the hatcheries told me that they said it wasn't worth the trouble to sell me so few eggs.

A chicken-producer friend of mine (he's got 20 chicken houses each with a 27,000 bird capacity) told me that he was good friends with one of the major chick producers and that he'd get me the eggs I need. Time will tell.

I suspect that more than one line of birds is entering the country since I see some significant differences in the live birds I buy from some of the area producers. But as to which companies they would trace, I don't yet have an idea. From what I've read on the Hubbard website, they've got reps in Colombia and a line of birds bred for the tropics. I'm sure some of these birds would trace to them.

I do think the birds perform pretty well overall. As I've said, at 36 days I can normally start culling out the largest males as they've reached 2.5 kilos (5 1/2 lbs) which is an ideal market weight here. The hens normally take 42 - 45 days to get to 2 kilos +.

Feel free to ask for any additional info. I really love this biz.
 

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