cross a (G.Campine X SpeckledSussex) on red sexlink? [more pics added]

[patandchickens]

Hm, these half-SS's (the roo, his bro and two sisters, all full sibs) were all discernably different from the pure SS in their hatches -- I do remember they were smaller (campines being a smallish breed) but I am pretty sure their coloring was different too, I am not sure exactly how but I think the head and neck were less patterned as chicks. However this may just be that particular cross - as little as I understand about adult chicken color genetics, I understand even less, if such a thing is possible, about chick down color genetics - and you are right in pointing out that I should at least not count on that being the case when backcrossing. That is a good point!

I think I have decided to set some of everything, but what I will do is divide the 'bator when I stop turning, and put all the SS and SS-backcross eggs on one side and all the (GCxSS)xsexlink and (GCxSS)xEE eggs on the other side. That way I can keep the SS and backcross chicks to raise myself, and sort 'em out once they are grown; while giving the other ones to my neighbor for her and her kids to raise, which is really the main purpose of this setting anyhow.

I appreciate the input and advice from everyone, and I think you have got me on a more sensible course of action than I would have taken on my own

Ridgerunner, thank you for posting all that! I can hardly ever get his genetics calculator to work at *all* for me (I think it's a combination of older browser and dialup). I am sure all that info would be very useful to me if I had the slightest clue what most of the terms MEANT (I would not recognize a "black patterned red (incomplete) millefleur clearnecked" if I tripped over one

)... now you're making me go back and look it all up and actually learn something

(seriously, I am glad you have noodged me into actually trying to tackle it

)


Pat

 

[Ridgerunner]

I don't know what it means either but it's fun playing with it. There was a recent thread on Delaware genetics that really helped me out with some of the very basics but I still have no clue what clearnecked or incomplete means. When you asked if there were any possible interesting crosses from that specific pairing, I think this is what you were talking about, black patterned red incomplete transverse pencilled pied/mottled, but I sure could not recognize it if I saw it. A little theoretic knowledge is nice but it does not always translate to actual practice.

The weather here is horrible; wet, cold, wet, windy, and wet. I'd get more done if it would just get a little colder and freeze the ground and all that wet stuff running off it. I have something to do this afternoon, but I do have a fast connection. If you want me to try specific crosses I will, but I make no guarantees how fast I'll get back to you. Kind of repay you a bit for all I've learned from you.

 

[RAREROO]

LOL Yeah those color terms can be hard to understand but the black patterned red millefleur is genetically the color of Speckled Sussex is called.

The clearneck part I believe is where the black would be in neck of columbian colored birds, the clear necks wouldn't have it.

And transverse barring/ transverse penciling is the barred pattern that the campines have. Golden Campines are gold with transverse barring.

and the pied/mottled is basicly what it would look like with barring and mottling together on the same bird, it would be a little messier than it would be with with the two separate colors pure.

The incomplete part I believe kind of atributes to the messiness too, you can see what incomplete means best if you see and incomplete laced birds like with a Silver laced X Columbian. The bird would look more like a columain background with lacing that looks a bit more like penciling, it is thiner than laceing and usually doesnt' lace the edge of the whole feather like pure lacing does.

Hope at least some of that makes sense.

 

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I hope it's okay to throw another related question in here! I'm getting started with Salmon Faverolles, and intend to keep a pure strain of those going. But I really LIKE Mille Fleur coloring, and was interested in the Aloha chicken project -- I wonder what would have to be crossed with the Salmon Faverolles to make a Mille Fleur line of them? Or would it be better to start with a different color of Faverolle?

I can run Henks calculators on my computer, but other than the simplest one, they make my eyes cross, LOL!

Kathleen

 

[Ridgerunner]

That makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks.

I hope to find out a little on the barring amd mottling in the future. I am hoping for a rooster out of a Speckled Sussex male/Delaware female to cross with females from a Speckled Sussex male x Delaware, Buff Orp, and Australorp females. In future generations I'll get the mottling from the Sussex and barring from the Sussex x Delaware male. It sounds good in theory but I imagine it may be so busy and dirty that it is actually kind of boring. Anyway, one way to find out. And if I don't like it, I can just choose against it.

 

[patandchickens]

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You are my HERO. Thank you thank you!!

Not only does that make good sense, in that I can visualize sort of roughly what the various possibilities would translate into visually...

...it has caused me to suddenly realize the Horrible Truth that a certain percentage of the 3/4-sussex backcrosses will be speckled-sussex colored (black patterned red millefleur) and thus before I do any SERIOUS size hatches from that pen this year, I have GOT TO get Nutmeg (the half-bred hen) out of there, as I cannot recognize her eggs with total reliability and really do not need her "small-bodied and screwy-brained" genes accidentally getting into my sussex lines.

So you are definitely helping me dodge a bullet, here

Thank you again, I really really need to put nose to grindstone and learn more about chicken genetics,

Pat

 

[RAREROO]

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What is this Aloha Chicken project? Can you give me more info or links to it?

As far as the Mille Fluer Favs. That would be awswome but you'd have to work your butt off to get them to the correct type after you introduced the mottleing gene, it would take Several years. But you want the gold mille fluer, you could use Speckled Sussex or maybe if you just want mottled like black mottled, then mottled Cochins may be better if you can find them.

 

[RAREROO]

You all are welcome and I'm glad I can help. Genetics can take a little while to digest, but ( for me atleast) one you learn it and how it works, it can be pretty easy to apply intuitively and know what you will get without having to bother with the calculotor. Escially the Sexlinked Barring and Mottling genes you mentioned Ridgerunner, if you have any other questions about those two genes in particular, I will try to help as best I can.

Good luck with your projects.

 

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Is it okay to post links to other websites here? I'm not sure -- but if you do a search for Aloha Chickens, I think you'll find her site. She has a project ongoing to develop/reproduce the Swedish Flower Chicken here, since we don't seem to have anything like that. I've got my own similar project in mind -- wanting a useful but pretty breed with Mille Fleur coloring.

Kathleen