I ended up w quite a few Cockerals, one prod red of some kind and he crowed about 8-9 weeks about the same time our 3 Bantum Cockerals started, really pathetic squawking, I can tell them all apart easily, I didn't know that would be the case. The bantams have it down much more than red. I have 3 white brahmas Cockerals, all 10 weeks, not a peep from them and they are much bigger than 10 week old bantams and red. My first flock, so nobody is truly dominant, I just don't think brahmas are ready to crow yet. Not a peep from the suspected cockeral EE that are 6 weeks. I love to hear them, we have young kids and due to allergies house is closed up w air on and I can barely hear them, but when I do it makes me happy! No neighbors too close so they are free to crow.