Dead Duckling and Bloody Chick Poo

[DellaMyDarling]

Here we go again.

I'm done with babies :'(

Chicks finished their 5 day Corid water treatment for suspected coccidiosis yesterday.
This morning, MHP cover has a ton of blood poos.
It was mixed per direction, 1/2 tea to 1 quart. All day supply, no other water access.
No chick has been outside.
Brooder is cleaned about every 36 hours but I replace the top cover on MHP every day. Water jar is replaced, water trays are washed every refill.

WHY?!?! Now what can I do?

Is my dead duckling related?
Son gets up around dawn, everyone was alive.
715 duckling was dead as a doornail.
This is so maddening!
She was one of the bigger, stronger ducklings, not my obvious runt.
Ducklings and chicks are not together, but they are living in brooder next to each other.
What goes awry with ducklings?!
Same cleaning with this brooder. It's always possible to miss something of course, but I also thought it hazardous to use a chemical cleaner when cleaning up so I don't.

 

[DellaMyDarling]

Tablet camera isn't the best, but I'm sure you can see it's clearly blood.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Were the ducks getting Corid also?
The MOST important thing to do in controlling the population of coccidia protozoa is that bedding must be kept bone dry and feeders full. The protozoa can't complete their life cycle in the absence of moisture.
That's my approach and I've only needed to use Corid once in many years of hatching chicks every couple weeks for 9 months out of the year.
If I were you, I would dose any ruffled, lethargic chicks directly in the mouth.

 

[DellaMyDarling]

As of morning check, no one looked ruffled or sad. I'll check again soon.
One Bantam had some blood poo stuck to rump. I will treat that one directly. It clearly isn't the only one though.

I'm not sure how to get any drier in the brooder.
I've got waterer in a pan so bedding stays wayyyy drier. Wet shavings kicked into water pan are discarded every time I check water, minimum 4x a day.
The cover over MHP gets nastiest, so as I sad it gets daily change out.

 

[coach723]

If you don't get results with Corid you may have a strain that is resistant to that medication. You can use a medication with toltrazuril or a sulfa antibiotic in that case. You can get from a vet or there are some options online.
You can get either from here: https://www.jedds.com/ , look under pigeons. Endocox is toltrazuril, Sul-med 100 is sulfa, those both are water mixed. You can also get bird sulfa, that would have to be given orally every 12 hours to each individually. https://www.allivet.com/p-8021-bird...MIu_-O4MXm4gIVFcDICh0BRgk_EAQYBCABEgLAEPD_BwE
Corid has always been effective for me, but these I have saved for 'just in case'.

 

[DellaMyDarling]

Thanks, that's what I thought.
I swear I saw sulfa of some kind at Tractor Supply. Can anyone confirm if so and if it might be the appropriate sulfa drug?

I've seen a few different sulfa abx suggested. Is any one kind better than another for This?
Scanned a thread that suggested I could be dealing now with necrotic enteritis. Suggested giving milk until abx was acquired. What do you think about that?

I was planning to finish up the run section I can put the standard size chicks in during the day. Bantam too small still. Should I put a hold on that? It would place them on soil and soil other birds have been on. Potential coccidia there for sure, but if they're already going to be treated does it matter?

 

[DellaMyDarling]

Feed store and both Tractor Supplys insist they have no sulfa drugs.

What do I do? Should I keep up Corid treatment until I get a sulfa?
Is the sulfa drug linked above my best option?

 

[casportpony]

Very sorry for your losses.

Corid should be given for five days at 2 teaspoon per gallon, then 7-14 days at 1/2 teaspoon per gallon.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/ar...ol-ampromed-the-correct-amprolium-dose.73341/

Since many sick birds don't drink enough, I have found that it helps to give the Corid orally 1-2 times a day.

Directions:
Corid 9.6% liquid - Do not dilute

• Give 0.1 ml per pound of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

or

• 0.02 ml per 100 grams of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

Corid 20% powder - Mix 1/2 teaspoon powder with 2 teaspoons water.

• Give 0.34 ml per pound of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

or

• 0.07 ml per 100 grams of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

The directions above are the same when using any 9.6% liquid or 20% powder. Such products include Amprol, AmproMed, Amprolium 200, Amprid, CocciAid, etc.

Click here to learn how to give medications orally:
Safely Administering Oral Medications to All Poultry and Waterfowl

 

[DellaMyDarling]

Very sorry for your losses.

Corid should be given for five days at 2 teaspoon per gallon, then 7-14 days at 1/2 teaspoon per gallon.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/ar...ol-ampromed-the-correct-amprolium-dose.73341/

Since many sick birds don't drink enough, I have found that it helps to give the Corid orally 1-2 times a day.

Directions:
Corid 9.6% liquid - Do not dilute

• Give 0.1 ml per pound of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

or

• 0.02 ml per 100 grams of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

Corid 20% powder - Mix 1/2 teaspoon powder with 2 teaspoons water.

• Give 0.34 ml per pound of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

or

• 0.07 ml per 100 grams of body weight orally once or twice a day for 1-3 days.

The directions above are the same when using any 9.6% liquid or 20% powder. Such products include Amprol, AmproMed, Amprolium 200, Amprid, CocciAid, etc.

Click here to learn how to give medications orally:
Safely Administering Oral Medications to All Poultry and Waterfowl

Woo! This should be a sticky!!!
Thanks!

So it is possible we stopped Corid too soon then?
Could the duckling be related? I'm 50/50 here.

How do you feel about putting them out on grass while still under treatment? It's way likely the cocci strain came from what they will be exposed to on this grass.
My reasoning to push getting them out is to help keep brooder cleaner and drier for the bantams and overnight for all. They're outgrowing the playpen fast which is likely adding to the problem.

 

[casportpony]

So it is possible we stopped Corid too soon then?

Yes, that and some might not have been drinking enough.

Could the duckling be related? I'm 50/50 here.

Maybe? Ducklings do get coccidiosis, but the get different types than chickens get. Would you be interested in having a necropsy done on the duckling? If so I will try to find a lab in your state.

How do you feel about putting them out on grass while still under treatment?

I'm not sure... While I think time outside in the sunshine is good for them, I think keeping in them in their brooder until they are healthy might be better.