Does this CBM cockerel carry wheaten?

[onthespot]

Almost every time someone shows a heavy coppered roo, it is posted "He carries wheaten" and usually the roo has a brownish tint to their feathers. My question is does this little guy carry wheaten also? His feathers are black, his down is black and he has very few light shafts on his dark feathers.

 

[amazondoc]

I think the real geneticist folks will tell you that he lacks the proper melanizers. But you could always breed him to a nice wheaten hen and see what pops out.

 

[blackdotte]

The above are two possibilities, but the incomplete spangling he has is usually a result of the combination of Brown,eb Pattern gene ,Pg Melanotic Ml and Mahogany Mh. Brown & Pattern gene are not found in Marans , So one wonders if he hasn't got something else in him.
Did you breed him? If so can you post photos of both parents and any of his siblings?
David

 

[onthespot]

my three roos I was rotating and did not keep records of who/what/when. I just wanted to be sure of all of them getting two weeks at a time with the hens for max diversity.
The three roos are these.

The one on the left flogged me regularly and became this

The one on the right I know carries wheaten and grew up to be a very nice gentle roo and yesterday he looked like this.

and the third roo looked like this

The hens look varied from solid black, minimally coppered black, to ones with brownish down and some barring on the wings and a lot of golden streaks on the breast. Here is the one with the most color on her breast. She is currently in the EE pen because I am guessing she is not genetically "right" for CBM.

and here she is next to a nicer coppered hen. The flash washes out the body color. Sorry.

and here are three hens and a roo in natural light just to get a feel for the general color of the flock.

 

[Krys109uk]

I've never seen any Marans like the youngster in the top picture.
The hen you have in your EE pen looks a bit similar to a hen I have. My hen is silver, her feathers are black laced with silver & silver shafts over much of her body but more so at the front. I shouldn't have bothered with this bird had she not laid a very dark egg. From test mating this year, she seems to be ER/eWh. The chicks are still small; I can't tell what else might be going on.

 

[onthespot]

These are all dark layers and out of dark eggs, from a hen that was out of a dark egg. All the roos are from large, very dark eggs. I am ready willing and able to remove all wrong gened hens from my pen, even if it is 70% of them. That is what it is all about after all. Only keeping the best of the best. I always only set dark eggs, so I don't have to keep track of who hatched out of what color egg. If it is in the CBM pen, it came from a very nice, dark egg.

Now the BBS pen, that's another story. Anything goes in that pen, LOL. It is a definite work in progress, but it is a LOT of fun over there, genetics wise. I have a diverse and interesting group over there and love them just as much. They are my adult ed, ESL, trade school gang.