Factory farm Chooks and morality.

[RooStar Chicken Gang]

Hey everyone, now I ain't no communists leftist social justice warrior or anything like that but let's talk bout this. So you know those factory places that keep n grow chooks for meat n eggs the conditions just ain't great, it's bad, it's sad. Right we all know chickens here... Now in the past IV brought chooks from these places because It was like hey Ur rescuing em, saving em from an industrial hell, but at the same time via buying there stuff, the birds it supports em. So is it good or bad, now morality is not made up by men, it's a universal law, there is right and wrong, but which is it in this case ya think? Share, maybe you don't even care?

 

[Katanahamon]

Hey everyone, now I ain't no communists leftist social justice warrior or anything like that but let's talk bout this. So you know those factory places that keep n grow chooks for meat n eggs the conditions just ain't great, it's bad, it's sad. Right we all know chickens here... Now in the past IV brought chooks from these places because It was like hey Ur rescuing em, saving em from an industrial hell, but at the same time via buying there stuff, the birds it supports em. So is it good or bad, now morality is not made up by men, it's a universal law, there is right and wrong, but which is it in this case ya think? Share, maybe you don't even care?

Umm..morality came about as a natural result of mankind having to live in groups. Or finding life easier to live in groups. When Og started hitting his fellow cave dwellers over the head to take their food/tools/women etc, they had to set down some rules…as far as chickens go..having them hasn’t stopped me from buying it at the store, but then again, I’ve always bought organic, allegedly well raised chickens..unfortunately many ppl will buy the cheapest products possible, and that leads companies to produce as cheaply as possible, and that’s where we run into problems..

 

[kmart60]

Hey everyone, now I ain't no communists leftist social justice warrior or anything like that but let's talk bout this. So you know those factory places that keep n grow chooks for meat n eggs the conditions just ain't great, it's bad, it's sad. Right we all know chickens here... Now in the past IV brought chooks from these places because It was like hey Ur rescuing em, saving em from an industrial hell, but at the same time via buying there stuff, the birds it supports em. So is it good or bad, now morality is not made up by men, it's a universal law, there is right and wrong, but which is it in this case ya think? Share, maybe you don't even care?

I'm with Katanahamon, morality is neither universal or a strict right/wrong thing, it's a social construct which changes depending on time, environment and circumstances. From my point of view I'd prefer to purchase "retired" chickens from a free-range egg farm than a factory one (and we are right now pondering whether to get our imminent first flock as POLs or from the local free-range farm "Mothercluckers" - dammit, I so wanted that for my henhouse name!).
I'd prefer to support the business that does the right thing, but you may not have that option, and from the point of view of the rescued chicken, it's definitely a good moral choice.
We need all the small acts of kindness we can get in this world.

 

[RooStar Chicken Gang]

Ok seeing as you people have no idea about real morality and Natural laws (laws that are created by the universe, not man) I'll have to give you some education. You see this is why the world is such a mess, people just have no wisdom or knowledge. For one example I will share with you the natural law of freedom and how it works.

Law of Freedom.
Freedom and morality are directly proportional. As morality increases, freedom increases. As morality declines freedom declines. Another way of stating this law would be to say that the presence or truth and morality in the lives of the people of any given society is inversely proportional to the presence of tyranny and slavery in that society. If a particular man made law is in harmony with natural law, then it follows logically that it is redundant, since it is stating a truth that is inherent, pre-existing and self evident. Therefore it is both irrelevant and unnecessary. If a particular man made law is in opposition to natural law, then it follows logically that it is both false (incorrect) and immoral (harmful) or in other words wrong. There for it cannot be legitimately binding upon anyone.

Natural Law.
Based upon principles and truth (inherent to creation) harmonized with due to knowledge and understanding. Universal; exists and applies anywhere in the universe, eternal and immutable; exists and applies as long as the universe exists and cannot be changed.

Mans law.
Based upon dogmatic beliefs (constructs of the mind) complied with due to fear of punishment. Differs with location based upon the whim of the legislators (moral relativism) changes with time based upon the whim of the legislators (moral relativism)

True freedom can never exist in a society that embraces moral relativism (the idea that there is no inherent and objective difference between right and wrong, so humanity may arbitrarily "create" or "decide" right and wrong for themselves)

Morality.
Right: correct, truth, harmony, actions based in no harm unless for self defence or protection.
Wrong: Incorrect, not based in truth, immoral, actions based in harm of other beings. Every harmful action that a human is capable of taking is a form of theft. Some form of property is always being stolen when a wrong doing is committed. Life is a form of property, rights are a form of property and freedom is a form of property.

Anarchy:
From the Greek prefix an-(av) "without; the absence of" and the Greek noun archon "master, ruler" anarchy does not mean "without rules it literally means without rulers; without masters"

True freedom includes infinite possibility, which by definition includes the possibility of chaos. This possibility must be embraced without fear if we are to be truly free. The fear of the possibility of chaos is the fear of freedom, that does not mean do not take precautions in life when necessary.

 

[kmart60]

Ok seeing as you people have no idea about real morality and Natural laws (laws that are created by the universe, not man) I'll have to give you some education. You see this is why the world is such a mess, people just have no wisdom or knowledge. For one example I will share with you the natural law of freedom and how it works.

Law of Freedom.
Freedom and morality are directly proportional. As morality increases, freedom increases. As morality declines freedom declines. Another way of stating this law would be to say that the presence or truth and morality in the lives of the people of any given society is inversely proportional to the presence of tyranny and slavery in that society. If a particular man made law is in harmony with natural law, then it follows logically that it is redundant, since it is stating a truth that is inherent, pre-existing and self evident. Therefore it is both irrelevant and unnecessary. If a particular man made law is in opposition to natural law, then it follows logically that it is both false (incorrect) and immoral (harmful) or in other words wrong. There for it cannot be legitimately binding upon anyone.

Natural Law.
Based upon principles and truth (inherent to creation) harmonized with due to knowledge and understanding. Universal; exists and applies anywhere in the universe, eternal and immutable; exists and applies as long as the universe exists and cannot be changed.

Mans law.
Based upon dogmatic beliefs (constructs of the mind) complied with due to fear of punishment. Differs with location based upon the whim of the legislators (moral relativism) changes with time based upon the whim of the legislators (moral relativism)

True freedom can never exist in a society that embraces moral relativism (the idea that there is no inherent and objective difference between right and wrong, so humanity may arbitrarily "create" or "decide" right and wrong for themselves)

Morality.
Right: correct, truth, harmony, actions based in no harm unless for self defence or protection.
Wrong: Incorrect, not based in truth, immoral, actions based in harm of other beings. Every harmful action that a human is capable of taking is a form of theft. Some form of property is always being stolen when a wrong doing is committed. Life is a form of property, rights are a form of property and freedom is a form of property.

Anarchy:
From the Greek prefix an-(av) "without; the absence of" and the Greek noun archon "master, ruler" anarchy does not mean "without rules it literally means without rulers; without masters"

True freedom includes infinite possibility, which by definition includes the possibility of chaos. This possibility must be embraced without fear if we are to be truly free. The fear of the possibility of chaos is the fear of freedom, that does not mean do not take precautions in life when necessary.

Aah, a philosopher, I see.

 

[Coffee N Chickens]

When puppy mills and puppies for sale in store windows were a big thing, people wondered the same thing. Did you rescue the older dogs and pay money into their system, or leave them behind to avoid paying the puppy farmers, but condemning the used-up dogs to never having a chance at a decent life? Most people advised against buying the abused older dogs, because after looking into it, they found this helped encourage the practice overall. My heart would tell me to do otherwise. It's a bad situation either way. And one of my collies was rescued from a bad breeding place. He's poking me for attention right now.

Chickens are slightly different situation, because people raise them for food, but not that much different.

Edited to add: Money didn't enter their hands when he went into rescue. It was more of a situation where they turned him over to avoid worse consequences.

 

[45lk9p459gm-w]

Ok seeing as you people have no idea about real morality and Natural laws (laws that are created by the universe, not man) I'll have to give you some education. You see this is why the world is such a mess, people just have no wisdom or knowledge. For one example I will share with you the natural law of freedom and how it works.

Law of Freedom.
Freedom and morality are directly proportional. As morality increases, freedom increases. As morality declines freedom declines. Another way of stating this law would be to say that the presence or truth and morality in the lives of the people of any given society is inversely proportional to the presence of tyranny and slavery in that society. If a particular man made law is in harmony with natural law, then it follows logically that it is redundant, since it is stating a truth that is inherent, pre-existing and self evident. Therefore it is both irrelevant and unnecessary. If a particular man made law is in opposition to natural law, then it follows logically that it is both false (incorrect) and immoral (harmful) or in other words wrong. There for it cannot be legitimately binding upon anyone.

Natural Law.
Based upon principles and truth (inherent to creation) harmonized with due to knowledge and understanding. Universal; exists and applies anywhere in the universe, eternal and immutable; exists and applies as long as the universe exists and cannot be changed.

Mans law.
Based upon dogmatic beliefs (constructs of the mind) complied with due to fear of punishment. Differs with location based upon the whim of the legislators (moral relativism) changes with time based upon the whim of the legislators (moral relativism)

True freedom can never exist in a society that embraces moral relativism (the idea that there is no inherent and objective difference between right and wrong, so humanity may arbitrarily "create" or "decide" right and wrong for themselves)

Morality.
Right: correct, truth, harmony, actions based in no harm unless for self defence or protection.
Wrong: Incorrect, not based in truth, immoral, actions based in harm of other beings. Every harmful action that a human is capable of taking is a form of theft. Some form of property is always being stolen when a wrong doing is committed. Life is a form of property, rights are a form of property and freedom is a form of property.

Anarchy:
From the Greek prefix an-(av) "without; the absence of" and the Greek noun archon "master, ruler" anarchy does not mean "without rules it literally means without rulers; without masters"

True freedom includes infinite possibility, which by definition includes the possibility of chaos. This possibility must be embraced without fear if we are to be truly free. The fear of the possibility of chaos is the fear of freedom, that does not mean do not take precautions in life when necessary.

Our Aussie friend is mostly right in this. Goes hand in hand with “balance” and “harmony” . Since everything tends toward chaos and not toward order, harmony helps to create and maintain balance in the universe, city, home, person, whatever ….

To get back to the chicken abuse that was used as the excuse for this thread, let’s look at reason.

Money - Turn the factory farms bottom line red and it dies.

Chaos - factory farm is dead (Oh No)…. no eggs, or chicken to eat or buy.

Balance - BYC is a chicken forum for chicken people who more or less know and trust each other.

Harmony - Chicken people start to network and form small local collectives to buy/trade for product and services. You start buying or trading among yourselves and cut out the factory farms.

It does work. Other wise these types of folks wouldn’t be trying so hard to stop us from raising chickens, gardens, and other things. They lose money.

Think about it ……

Brought to you by the fine folks at The Pagan Pig Collective

 

[RooStar Chicken Gang]

Our Aussie friend is mostly right in this. Goes hand in hand with “balance” and “harmony” . Since everything tends toward chaos and not toward order, harmony helps to create and maintain balance in the universe, city, home, person, whatever ….

To get back to the chicken abuse that was used as the excuse for this thread, let’s look at reason.

Money - Turn the factory farms bottom line red and it dies.

Chaos - factory farm is dead (Oh No)…. no eggs, or chicken to eat or buy.

Balance - BYC is a chicken forum for chicken people who more or less know and trust each other.

Harmony - Chicken people start to network and form small local collectives to buy/trade for product and services. You start buying or trading among yourselves and cut out the factory farms.

It does work. Other wise these types of folks wouldn’t be trying so hard to stop us from raising chickens, gardens, and other things. They lose money.

Think about it ……

Brought to you by the fine folks at The Pagan Pig Collective

Exactly it's up to us the people to make new systems. One of the reasons IV been involved in off grid communities.

 

[45lk9p459gm-w]

Exactly it's up to us the people to make new systems. One of the reasons IV been involved in off grid communities.

Reminds me of the hippie communes. Right idea, just not implemented well. Any time you get a group of people together someone decides there needs to be a boss to manage and run things. That's where the Social Collective, not to be confused with a government collective, comes in. Everyone owns their own property but sells or trades for goods and services that they can't provide for themselves. The closest thing to a boss is the head of the household.

 

[MildlyOffensiveChicken]

I think there is some immorality to buying caged and even cage free eggs/meat. Cage free meaning the big open warehouses.

It is not as immoral as buying goods produced by space labor - most everything from China, Bangladesh and the like.


One of the great scams/crimes of the 2nd half of the 20th century was the rise of proxy slavery and the subsequent artificial lowering of prices across consumer goods.