Frizzle sizzle

[Rdgrant19]

OK, I’m totally new to breeding chickens and want advice! My goal is to breed sizzles. I know that these are Cochin silkie cross BUT I’m not sure which way to breed! I have this guy already and I’m not sure if I need to invest in more silkies or Cochins to get my desired outcome! He is a satin sizzle! I will also be breeding frizzled Cochins as I just love the colors that come from these guys! Recommendations! Pictures, advice! Please!!

 

[HuffleClaw]

Hi and good luck!
Here’s my 2¢:
I think it’s best to breed frizzled roo to a non-frizzled hen. 50% chance of frizzed babies anyway you go. But whatever you do, NEVER breed a frizzle to another frizzle, this creates a very poorly feathered bird... a frazzle. Brittle feathers which break easily and must have high-maintenance.

Best wishes,
HuffleClaw

 

[Rdgrant19]

I do know not to breed frizzled to frizzled but I wasn’t sure if I should breed my frizzle to a Cochin or a silkie

 

[sylviethecochin]

Silkie. You want silkie feathers+frizzle, yeah? Well, you've got the frizzle, now you need the sizzle.

 

[Rdgrant19]

Your a life saver! So we only breed the silkie to a Cochin to get the frizzle then back to the silkie? From there are there certain colors that breed “true” or experimental colors ect.?

 

[sylviethecochin]

Your a life saver! So we only breed the silkie to a Cochin to get the frizzle then back to the silkie? From there are there certain colors that breed “true” or experimental colors ect.?

Since silkies is recessive, you want to breed the hard feathering out of your gene pool, yes. So unless you want other cochin traits, then you're only going in for the frizzle, and you only want to breed with as many cochins as are necessary to get Frizzle. What colours do you want? There are so many, I don't know where to begin.

 

[Squirrelfox]

Hello, I hate to be a copycat, but I am beginner also. 2 years now I have bred bantams. A year ago I got bearded silkies and frizzled Cochins. For the purpose of raising soft ,fluffy ,sweet chickens that are awesome. One of my first Cochins turned out to be a curly. He was the first to get all the silkie hens I have. Every chick is frizzled. His brother is single frizzle gene. His chicks are about half smooth and half frizzled. Here is my question, I have read that now I breed the 1st generation back to silkies. Why and what is the outcome?

 

[Squirrelfox]

I wanted to show you the first generation babies

 

[Squirrelfox]

View attachment 1686932 I wanted to show you the first generation babies

My silkie hens are solid black and 2 blue/grey splash

 

[sylviethecochin]

silkie is recessive. You want two copies so that you have silkie feathers.

Frizzle is dominant, and you really only want one copy anyway.

I have no idea what the genetic letters are, so I'm making up my own: silkie, s. Hard-feather, S. Frizzle, Fr; non-frizzle, fr.

So you've got your first generation cochin/silkies. They're frizzle (Fr/fr) and carry one copy of the silkie gene (S/s)

If you breed them to their siblings, you'll breed Fr/fr to (preferably) fr/fr, and S/s to S/s.

Are you familiar with a punnet square? If not, then breeding Fr/fr to fr/fr will result in half of them inheriting Fr. Half should be Fr/fr, and half should be fr/fr. Half frizzled, half non-frizzled.

Breeding your F1s, S/s to S/s will give you these four outcomes: S/S, S/s, S/s and s/s. Of those four chances, three aren't silkied. You'll only have a quarter of the offspring being silkies, and you won't know which one is S/S, which, no matter what you do, will never produce silkied offspring itself.

Since only half of your F2 chicks will be frizzled, one chick in eight should, on average, be both silkied and frizzle. And then you have to account for male/female ratios.

On the other hand, if you breed, S/s (your chicks) to s/s (your parent silkies) half will be S/s, and half will be s/s. All of the offspring will be usable in a breeding program to produce silkied birds, and half will be silkied.

1/2 silkied 1/2 frizzled, 1/2 female should make it so that one in eight of your F2 offspring are silkied, frizzled females.