Gander losing stability, can't stand

[shmooborp]

Hi All,

I have a 10 month old Dewlap Toulouse gander that has been off for about a month.
I noticed he was stumbling over his feet and just seeming uncoordinated, he did perk up at one point for a few days but has now declined again and can now no longer stand up.
Things to note:
- He is now isolated on straw in his house but can see his friends.
- When he was stumbling he would almost spasm in a weird way like he was locking up.
- I have also noticed his honk has softened to something a little weaker and higher pitched.
- poo doesn't look terribly suspicious just runny likely from the treatment I've been doing the last few days.
- I have them on Nutrena All Flock, as well as Rolled oats and cracked corn since its winter and the grass is less.
- he's always been a fiddler and loves to chew on whatever he can get (considered he may have ingested toxins )

* I have been doing an Epsom salt water bowl flush for him the last two days, as well as access to a bowl of water with Corid in it. I give him a syringe dripped into his mouth of charcoal tablets dissolved in water once in the morning and once at night.
SO far no improvements.

I am feeling a little lost and a vet isn't really an option but I would like to give him his best chance. I have seen reccomendations for antibiotics like Tylosin and such but haven't any idea how to get ahold of it or use it.

He could also very well have a niacin or B vitamin deficiency but I want to wait until I've given Corid for a few days to start that.

Any advice or suggestions would be super helpful!

 

[Goosebaby]

Hi All,

I have a 10 month old Dewlap Toulouse gander that has been off for about a month.
I noticed he was stumbling over his feet and just seeming uncoordinated, he did perk up at one point for a few days but has now declined again and can now no longer stand up.
Things to note:
- He is now isolated on straw in his house but can see his friends.
- When he was stumbling he would almost spasm in a weird way like he was locking up.
- I have also noticed his honk has softened to something a little weaker and higher pitched.
- poo doesn't look terribly suspicious just runny likely from the treatment I've been doing the last few days.
- I have them on Nutrena All Flock, as well as Rolled oats and cracked corn since its winter and the grass is less.
- he's always been a fiddler and loves to chew on whatever he can get (considered he may have ingested toxins )

* I have been doing an Epsom salt water bowl flush for him the last two days, as well as access to a bowl of water with Corid in it. I give him a syringe dripped into his mouth of charcoal tablets dissolved in water once in the morning and once at night.
SO far no improvements.

I am feeling a little lost and a vet isn't really an option but I would like to give him his best chance. I have seen reccomendations for antibiotics like Tylosin and such but haven't any idea how to get ahold of it or use it.

He could also very well have a niacin or B vitamin deficiency but I want to wait until I've given Corid for a few days to start that.

Any advice or suggestions would be super helpful!

Have you heard any coughing or squeaking?
Is he still eating?
Is there any mold he’s been around? Damp straw, compost, damp material?

Have you noticed what he eats while he’s eating? Corn is like candy so they’ll prefer to only eat it but it is tough to digest and doesn’t have a lot of nutrients.

I would put him on liquid B complex and either rooster booster poultry cell or nutri-drench. The uncoordinated walking can be a result of a few different things but the first that comes to mind is a vitamin deficiency.

The change in voice is very concerning, changes in pitch can be a sign of aspergillosis, when it’s more advanced it can cause nervous system problems and seizures. If it’s asper only a vet can treat him, typically it’s lengthy and fairly expensive and involves nebula at ion and oral medications. Itraconazole is the standard treatment, terbinafine is also effective, typically less expensive, and safer, however “safer” doesn’t mean safe, anti fungal safe very hard on the organs.

Another possibility is hardware disease/ heavy metal poisoning, lead or zinc being the most common. Both require CaEDTA, zinc is easier to scrub out of the body however both are lengthy very expensive treatments. If it’s a small amount of zinc the flushes may work, if it’s lead prognosis isn’t good. I’m sorry.


Corid will treat coccidia, coccidia and other digestive infections or parasites can hinder nutrient absorption which can definitely cause a vitamin deficiency long term. Vitamin deficiencies can also make them more prone to infection.
Tylosin can treat a number of lower digestive infections and respiratory infections. Respiratory infections, bacterial or viral, can cause changes in the voice but it tends to differ from what asper does to the voice which is a complete alteration that sounds kind of thin and nasally.

You can find tylosin here but I’m not really sure that’s the root of the issue.

https://birdpalproducts.com/products/tylosin-powder-for-birds?_pos=1&_sid=85dbd6d57&_ss=r

 

[Goosebaby]

Also I want to add, if this has been going on for a month he would have to be having repeated contact with some kind of toxin, if he’s ingested lead he most likely would have passed away by now if he’s showing symptoms this strongly, with zinc it depends more on how much he’s been ingesting, it could be something he’s been repeatedly chewing on.. If there’s a chemical element causing it it would be something in the environment he’s repeatedly ingesting.

Cilantro has some effect on scrubbing toxins out of the digestive tract, it won’t do anything for what’s already been absorbed into the bloodstream or settled in the bones in the case of lead.

 

[shmooborp]

Have you heard any coughing or squeaking?
Is he still eating?
Is there any mold he’s been around? Damp straw, compost, damp material?

Have you noticed what he eats while he’s eating? Corn is like candy so they’ll prefer to only eat it but it is tough to digest and doesn’t have a lot of nutrients.

I would put him on liquid B complex and either rooster booster poultry cell or nutri-drench. The uncoordinated walking can be a result of a few different things but the first that comes to mind is a vitamin deficiency.

The change in voice is very concerning, changes in pitch can be a sign of aspergillosis, when it’s more advanced it can cause nervous system problems and seizures. If it’s asper only a vet can treat him, typically it’s lengthy and fairly expensive and involves nebula at ion and oral medications. Itraconazole is the standard treatment, terbinafine is also effective, typically less expensive, and safer, however “safer” doesn’t mean safe, anti fungal safe very hard on the organs.

Another possibility is hardware disease/ heavy metal poisoning, lead or zinc being the most common. Both require CaEDTA, zinc is easier to scrub out of the body however both are lengthy very expensive treatments. If it’s a small amount of zinc the flushes may work, if it’s lead prognosis isn’t good. I’m sorry.


Corid will treat coccidia, coccidia and other digestive infections or parasites can hinder nutrient absorption which can definitely cause a vitamin deficiency long term. Vitamin deficiencies can also make them more prone to infection.
Tylosin can treat a number of lower digestive infections and respiratory infections. Respiratory infections, bacterial or viral, can cause changes in the voice but it tends to differ from what asper does to the voice which is a complete alteration that sounds kind of thin and nasally.

You can find tylosin here but I’m not really sure that’s the root of the issue.

https://birdpalproducts.com/products/tylosin-powder-for-birds?_pos=1&_sid=85dbd6d57&_ss=r

Have you heard any coughing or squeaking?
Is he still eating?
Is there any mold he’s been around? Damp straw, compost, damp material?

Have you noticed what he eats while he’s eating? Corn is like candy so they’ll prefer to only eat it but it is tough to digest and doesn’t have a lot of nutrients.

I would put him on liquid B complex and either rooster booster poultry cell or nutri-drench. The uncoordinated walking can be a result of a few different things but the first that comes to mind is a vitamin deficiency.

The change in voice is very concerning, changes in pitch can be a sign of aspergillosis, when it’s more advanced it can cause nervous system problems and seizures. If it’s asper only a vet can treat him, typically it’s lengthy and fairly expensive and involves nebula at ion and oral medications. Itraconazole is the standard treatment, terbinafine is also effective, typically less expensive, and safer, however “safer” doesn’t mean safe, anti fungal safe very hard on the organs.

Another possibility is hardware disease/ heavy metal poisoning, lead or zinc being the most common. Both require CaEDTA, zinc is easier to scrub out of the body however both are lengthy very expensive treatments. If it’s a small amount of zinc the flushes may work, if it’s lead prognosis isn’t good. I’m sorry.


Corid will treat coccidia, coccidia and other digestive infections or parasites can hinder nutrient absorption which can definitely cause a vitamin deficiency long term. Vitamin deficiencies can also make them more prone to infection.
Tylosin can treat a number of lower digestive infections and respiratory infections. Respiratory infections, bacterial or viral, can cause changes in the voice but it tends to differ from what asper does to the voice which is a complete alteration that sounds kind of thin and nasally.

You can find tylosin here but I’m not really sure that’s the root of the issue.

https://birdpalproducts.com/products/tylosin-powder-for-birds?_pos=1&_sid=85dbd6d57&_ss=r

Thank you so much for your reply Goosebaby.
I live in Oregon so it's just impossibly wet this time of year and he easily could have gotten into something in the compost pile, or been exposed to something. I have also seen him nibbling on the old back porch wooden guard rail which has some wood rot to it- I'm not sure why he's so drawn to it. he's likely ingested some old paint flakes from that, too. My female does tend to fiddle with all the same things and she is currently the picture of health and laid her first egg this week.
I went ahead and stopped doing the Corid and gave him a vial of a few CCs of Poultry Cell booster in his mouth this morning.
I also did decide to reach out and got a recommend for a livestock vet that lives nearby that I may have him looked at by tomorrow incase its something more medical treatment wise like Aspergillosis- he does have some very strange neuromuscular movements that seem more like spasms but I could be mistaking them and he could actually be having some form of little seizure.
I figure it could also be multiple things going on as well, I am hopeful that the vet might have more guidance tomorrow.
thankfully he is still eating and drinking when I put things in front of him.

 

[shmooborp]

Also I want to add, if this has been going on for a month he would have to be having repeated contact with some kind of toxin, if he’s ingested lead he most likely would have passed away by now if he’s showing symptoms this strongly, with zinc it depends more on how much he’s been ingesting, it could be something he’s been repeatedly chewing on.. If there’s a chemical element causing it it would be something in the environment he’s repeatedly ingesting.

Cilantro has some effect on scrubbing toxins out of the digestive tract, it won’t do anything for what’s already been absorbed into the bloodstream or settled in the bones in the case of lead.

this is good to know, and just to add he hasn't been coughing but he does kinda make a little bit of a squeak sometimes. I gather something respiratory must be happening.

 

[Goosebaby]

Thank you so much for your reply Goosebaby.
I live in Oregon so it's just impossibly wet this time of year and he easily could have gotten into something in the compost pile, or been exposed to something. I have also seen him nibbling on the old back porch wooden guard rail which has some wood rot to it- I'm not sure why he's so drawn to it. he's likely ingested some old paint flakes from that, too. My female does tend to fiddle with all the same things and she is currently the picture of health and laid her first egg this week.
I went ahead and stopped doing the Corid and gave him a vial of a few CCs of Poultry Cell booster in his mouth this morning.
I also did decide to reach out and got a recommend for a livestock vet that lives nearby that I may have him looked at by tomorrow incase its something more medical treatment wise like Aspergillosis- he does have some very strange neuromuscular movements that seem more like spasms but I could be mistaking them and he could actually be having some form of little seizure.
I figure it could also be multiple things going on as well, I am hopeful that the vet might have more guidance tomorrow.
thankfully he is still eating and drinking when I put things in front of him.

It could be the paint.