Gender Determination by Refrigeration

Female birds can bias the sex of their chicks.-- Whether a bird is more likely to lay a male or female egg depends on which sex will have the greatest chance of doing well. Rutstein et al. (2004) adjusted the food intake of female Zebra Finches [see photo of female (left) and male (right) Zebra Finches below right] & found that well-fed females were more likely to produce daughters, while less well nourished birds were more likely to have sons. This is exactly as predicted by the fact that female offspring need to be better nourished than males if they are to survive and grow well.
zebrafinch_2.jpg
The authors noted that: “In most animals sex ratio is close to 50:50 and extremely resistant to change. In mammals, including humans, the sex of the baby is determined by whether the sex chromosome in the sperm is male or female. But in birds, it is the female’s egg rather than the male’s sperm that determines what sex the chick will be. Thus the female has the potential to determine the sex of her young by whether she ovulates male or female eggs. In some way, female Zebra Finches seem to be able to exert control over whether to produce a male or female egg depending on which of the two is most likely to be successful. Our research tells us that they do it, and we understand why. The big question is: how do they do it?”
In many animals, females need to be well-nourished and in good condition if they are to breed, as eggs are costly to produce. Bigger eggs tend to lead to bigger young that are more likely to survive. Such ‘sex ratio adjustment’ is well documented in certain insects, such as bees and wasps, but is less well understood in birds and mammals.
Birds are an excellent model to use in the study of sex ratio adjustment because, using molecular techniques, scientists can establish the sex of each egg soon after laying. Further, all the resources given to the developing embryo are present in the egg at laying. Thus the size and the content of the egg are measures of the amount of resources that the female has allocated to that egg, which affects its subsequent survival chances.
The authors explained: “We manipulated the diet quality of Zebra Finches to look at the effects of body condition on female investment. We found that females were able to exert a strong degree of control over the production of male and female eggs. When females were fed on a low quality diet, they laid eggs that were considerably lighter than those laid when they were fed on a high quality diet, and they also laid far more male eggs on a low quality diet. This is the converse situation to that described 30 years ago for mammals, but it makes sense for Zebra Finches. Previous research has shown that under poor nutritional conditions, female Zebra Finches grow more slowly and survive less well compared to males. Therefore, females are producing more of the sex with the highest survival chances under those conditions.”
http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/avianreproduction.html

My mistake for thinking chickens were birds.
 
On average, if you have a good hatch, you will have close to a 50% ratio between cockerels and pullets.

What you are trying to do is to kill the cockerels. What happens is that you wind up having a bad hatch ratio with sick and weak chicks hatching.

One thing to consider is that if this worked, hatcheries would do it. The best thing to do is to always strive for the best hatch rate with the healthiest chicks possible.

The chicks are hyline crosses from a brown breed over a white breed. TJs uses white egg laying hens and a brown rooster. Whole Foods used brown egg laying hens and a white egg laying gene rooster.

Pullets:
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Cockerels:
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Exactly what I said in my original post about hatcheries. As I mentored above also, I did turn my incubator up to recommended temp. Thanks so much for your info. Super interesting about the store bought eggs, too.
 
My neighbor gave me some very cold, nearly frozen eggs and I hatched them. I had a lot of early quitters and of course some never even tried. Out of 9 that hatched, 8 were female. That's by no means scientific but just my previous experience. I had also read somewhere about a true study done that also suggested that rooster eggs can not take as low of a temperature. I believe the link to that study is on the Toad thread.

In birds the hen determines what gender each egg will be. If they think the ratio of males to females is wrong they will attempt to add more of the needed gender. In a case of low rooster to hen ratio the hens may decide they need more roosters and produce greater than 50% rooster eggs. In my neighbors case he had 1 rooster over 20+ hens, and his own broody hatches are often filled with rooster chicks and only a few hen chicks. It was his eggs that were very cold and hatched out 8 hens/1 rooster for me.

To support the theory of hens deciding the sex of the needed offspring, I had 1 pair of standard cochins. Out of 6 eggs I hatched from them 5 were female and 1 male. I know this because they were barred and could be sexed at hatch. To me this is the hen saying she wanted more hens around and did not need more than a "backup" rooster. Granted this was a low number of eggs to base my theory on.

I am setting eggs tonight (I hope) that have been refrigerated for months (long story). If they take at all, I do expect to see more female chicks just because of my previous experience.

I hope this happens in my chicks!
 
On average, if you have a good hatch, you will have close to a 50% ratio between cockerels and pullets.

What you are trying to do is to kill the cockerels. What happens is that you wind up having a bad hatch ratio with sick and weak chicks hatching.

One thing to consider is that if this worked, hatcheries would do it. The best thing to do is to always strive for the best hatch rate with the healthiest chicks possible.

The chicks are hyline crosses from a brown breed over a white breed. TJs uses white egg laying hens and a brown rooster. Whole Foods used brown egg laying hens and a white egg laying gene rooster.

Pullets:
View attachment 1390936
Cockerels:
View attachment 1390935

I am not trying to "kill" the cockerels, so much as avoiding it from beginning, as I do not like knowing birds are culled.
 
Female birds can bias the sex of their chicks.-- Whether a bird is more likely to lay a male or female egg depends on which sex will have the greatest chance of doing well. Rutstein et al. (2004) adjusted the food intake of female Zebra Finches [see photo of female (left) and male (right) Zebra Finches below right] & found that well-fed females were more likely to produce daughters, while less well nourished birds were more likely to have sons. This is exactly as predicted by the fact that female offspring need to be better nourished than males if they are to survive and grow well.
zebrafinch_2.jpg
The authors noted that: “In most animals sex ratio is close to 50:50 and extremely resistant to change. In mammals, including humans, the sex of the baby is determined by whether the sex chromosome in the sperm is male or female. But in birds, it is the female’s egg rather than the male’s sperm that determines what sex the chick will be. Thus the female has the potential to determine the sex of her young by whether she ovulates male or female eggs. In some way, female Zebra Finches seem to be able to exert control over whether to produce a male or female egg depending on which of the two is most likely to be successful. Our research tells us that they do it, and we understand why. The big question is: how do they do it?”
In many animals, females need to be well-nourished and in good condition if they are to breed, as eggs are costly to produce. Bigger eggs tend to lead to bigger young that are more likely to survive. Such ‘sex ratio adjustment’ is well documented in certain insects, such as bees and wasps, but is less well understood in birds and mammals.
Birds are an excellent model to use in the study of sex ratio adjustment because, using molecular techniques, scientists can establish the sex of each egg soon after laying. Further, all the resources given to the developing embryo are present in the egg at laying. Thus the size and the content of the egg are measures of the amount of resources that the female has allocated to that egg, which affects its subsequent survival chances.
The authors explained: “We manipulated the diet quality of Zebra Finches to look at the effects of body condition on female investment. We found that females were able to exert a strong degree of control over the production of male and female eggs. When females were fed on a low quality diet, they laid eggs that were considerably lighter than those laid when they were fed on a high quality diet, and they also laid far more male eggs on a low quality diet. This is the converse situation to that described 30 years ago for mammals, but it makes sense for Zebra Finches. Previous research has shown that under poor nutritional conditions, female Zebra Finches grow more slowly and survive less well compared to males. Therefore, females are producing more of the sex with the highest survival chances under those conditions.”
http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/avianreproduction.html

My mistake for thinking chickens were birds.
Super interesting!
 
Female birds can bias the sex of their chicks.-- Whether a bird is more likely to lay a male or female egg depends on which sex will have the greatest chance of doing well. Rutstein et al. (2004) adjusted the food intake of female Zebra Finches [see photo of female (left) and male (right) Zebra Finches below right] & found that well-fed females were more likely to produce daughters, while less well nourished birds were more likely to have sons. This is exactly as predicted by the fact that female offspring need to be better nourished than males if they are to survive and grow well.
zebrafinch_2.jpg
The authors noted that: “In most animals sex ratio is close to 50:50 and extremely resistant to change. In mammals, including humans, the sex of the baby is determined by whether the sex chromosome in the sperm is male or female. But in birds, it is the female’s egg rather than the male’s sperm that determines what sex the chick will be. Thus the female has the potential to determine the sex of her young by whether she ovulates male or female eggs. In some way, female Zebra Finches seem to be able to exert control over whether to produce a male or female egg depending on which of the two is most likely to be successful. Our research tells us that they do it, and we understand why. The big question is: how do they do it?”
In many animals, females need to be well-nourished and in good condition if they are to breed, as eggs are costly to produce. Bigger eggs tend to lead to bigger young that are more likely to survive. Such ‘sex ratio adjustment’ is well documented in certain insects, such as bees and wasps, but is less well understood in birds and mammals.
Birds are an excellent model to use in the study of sex ratio adjustment because, using molecular techniques, scientists can establish the sex of each egg soon after laying. Further, all the resources given to the developing embryo are present in the egg at laying. Thus the size and the content of the egg are measures of the amount of resources that the female has allocated to that egg, which affects its subsequent survival chances.
The authors explained: “We manipulated the diet quality of Zebra Finches to look at the effects of body condition on female investment. We found that females were able to exert a strong degree of control over the production of male and female eggs. When females were fed on a low quality diet, they laid eggs that were considerably lighter than those laid when they were fed on a high quality diet, and they also laid far more male eggs on a low quality diet. This is the converse situation to that described 30 years ago for mammals, but it makes sense for Zebra Finches. Previous research has shown that under poor nutritional conditions, female Zebra Finches grow more slowly and survive less well compared to males. Therefore, females are producing more of the sex with the highest survival chances under those conditions.”
http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/avianreproduction.html

My mistake for thinking chickens were birds.
:lau
 
It will be interesting seeing how your hatch goes. I will be setting 8 of my own eggs tonight which have been refrigerated for 3-4 months. I'll be watching your topic and sorry about getting OT, I'll try not to say more even though I am speaking from experience as a ornamental bird breeder as well as chickens. :D
 
It will be interesting seeing how your hatch goes. I will be setting 8 of my own eggs tonight which have been refrigerated for 3-4 months. I'll be watching your topic and sorry about getting OT, I'll try not to say more even though I am speaking from experience as a ornamental bird breeder as well as chickens. :D

I didn't think you were OT at all. I found the info very fascinating! The eggs in my incubator right now are not from my own flock , but I believe she feeds her birds well. Certainly, I'll keep the good nutrition theory in mind when I incubate the eggs from my own birds!
 

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