I consider these to be my F1 cross.
On the reds - My San Diego Zoo stock - line bred since 1989. My wild caught line (I call it) are descended from import stock from Landig Import 1988 and from Vaughn 1992 and also line bred. This is my first crossing of these two separate lines.
On the Amherst My SD Zoo stock, same as above, my Chengdu Zoo stock I purchased 2 years ago. This is my first crossing of these two separate lines.
Maybe I am incorrect calling this F1, but it seems correct to me. They are both pure lines of more than 5 generations, technically i could call it my own line but it would likely carry less weight in my opinion. There is no hybridization as far as I can tell and I trust where I acquired them fully. I am happy to go into detail of who they came from, how and where and so on - but I think it's improper to post names etc. on a public forum without consent. I do have the MDNR # for the imported Vaughn and have kept pedigree records of my breeding and included previous history given to me. We can no longer trace import bands before 1992 so that information is useless. All breeders are forced to put some trust in others and it's unfortunate that the only way to prove your worth is to provide as much info as possible. I wish there was copies of paperwork passed on throughout the years but there just wasn't. I am registering them so they will be more easily traceable for anyone who is willing to continue with a good breeding project and help preserve them.
I do not have original import papers - no one does. I have the next best thing, records and history. I have no problem explaining in detail their lineage and how i was lucky enough to get these birds - just PM me