HELP with Yet ANOTHER outdoor run thread about AWEFUL SMELL - HELP ? PIX included

well, it appears that a wood chipper costs $200 a day to rent :( thats crazy
i can buy a lot of bags of large flake from TSC at $5 a bag for $200 and not have to do all
that splitting and chipping. Time to hook up the trailer and go get 20 or 30 bags of flake.
 
I don't see any kind of litter over the substrate at all. Seems like the dirt is absorbing the liquid from the droppings and because the ground is already saturated it can't go down very far so the droppings kinda sits on the surface and just below, adding their own 'perfume' to the mix. This will be especially true in those saturated areas you are talking about. You are so right - sour dirt has the most disgusting smell ever! You've got some anaerobic breakdown going on in that soil, and that's the first cycle you have to break.

I'd start with a couple of bags of pine shavings. Try to start with a layer at least 4 inches deep, preferably 6. They are cheap, and for a run that size it would take a few bags. But seems to me that you're going to have start somewhere, and you're going to have to do some spending to get a handle on it. Those pine shavings will wick some of that moisture up. Go with large flake pine shavings if you can - more cut surface area to wick moisture. Add in some dry leaves (I know, not easy to find in a very wet Florida). If there are some little twigs and such in the leaves, so much the better - provides little air pockets. Although it sounds contrary to add more nitrogen to an area already abundant with it from droppings, after a few days of drying from the pine shavings, some fresh cut grass clippings added on top of the pine shavings will actually help some too. You won't need a ton of those - just a bag full spread thinly on top. It will be an immediate odor improvement and they'll dig them down very quickly.

If you have power out there, running a heavy fan and blowing it directly across the worst spots when the rain finally lets up will start some surface drying for you. But bare dirt in a chicken run rarely works, so get some kind of litter in there. If you want to use sand, get the area as dry as you can (block access to that area from the chickens with a chicken wire barrier if you have to, just to keep them from using it while it dries) and put it down. Sand is great - a lot of people use it with great success. But it is also much more compact with very little air flow (if any) through it down to the dirt, so it will just hold the wet in there. So I would think that for sand to be successful in this case, at least the are would have to be starting out somewhat dry.

My run uses the deep litter system. Part of my run is covered, part is open to the elements. So part of it gets pretty wet with every rain, and the other part is dry. After a heavy rain, I just take my trusty rake out there and kinda mix the dry with the wet, pulling from area into the other. I don't dig the rake down deeply, just skimming across the top. Toss a little scratch in and the chickens do the rest for me.

I wish you so much luck getting a handle on this. But once you do get it under control, you'll have healthier chickens and a much happier nose.

i use pine flake from TSC in the coop. I'm getting ready to run to TSC and get 40 bags of flake for the outside run.
question, can i recycle the coop flake from the floor to the run when we clean the coop and replace the flake on the floor ( usually 5 to 6 bags ) or continue to just throw it away ?
 
@bevis Agreed. You can indeed recycle the pine shavings from coop to run. Then you can recycle it again as it breaks down further - toss it into a compost pile or spread it on your garden area over the fall and winter and let it work there too.

I had to go back and look at the size of your run again. 40 bags seemed like a lot - that stuff is really compressed and fluffs tremendously when you take it out of the bag. My run is 8x12 and it takes just under three bags to give it that good first 4 inch layer. Then after they've tamped it down a bit, I add another half bag or so. Of course, I also add in leaves, grass clippings (not a lot of them, but some), weeds and garden trimmings, etc.and toss on a few good shovels full of good garden dirt over all to kick start the litter. In our 6X8 coop a bag does it to start with. You don't really want to start with 12 inches of litter on the floor then keep adding to that - you want to start with 4 - 6 inches and then add to it as needed. You'll probably be at around that 12 inch mark by the end of a year, and that bottom layer should be beautifully broken down.
 
This thread has been a life saver for me. I have been struggling with what to use for the floor of our run, wanting a healthy environment that isn't too much work or expense and will control the smell. I've tried grass clippings, but, it just turned into a matt of wet grass when it rained, and then into a smelly mess underneath. So, ripped all that out and composted it. Then tried pebbles, but, I don't have a truck, and hauling very much of it was becoming problematic. I put down three big bags initially, and added two more, but, I would need four more, maybe five to really get good coverage with any degree of depth. My thinking was to just hose it down periodically to clean it. So, since that isn't really working out for me, I was trying to decide what to do next. Then I come to this thread, and ta dah, pine chips, four bags ought to do it, and I can easily haul that in my trunk and back seat of my car. I will be stopping at TSC on the way home from work today. Yay, problem solved just in time for my order of 8 new chicks to arrive and take over our brooder box while the other 8 bigger girls start enjoying a fresh, clean, healthy run. Peace and contentment will be restored to our little pseudo farm.
 
Bought a pallet of chips. They sold me an entire pallet for $4.99 a bag ( if i bought a whole pallet, 45 bags ) . I have
a very dry place to store it and its not like i don't need it in the future. The chips are 4 to 6 inches deep everywhere.
It took 23 bags to do it that deep. Before and after pix. They seem to be having fun digging around in it. I have one
more place to dig out thats sour but I'm done in for the day. The heat index is over 100 today and I'm beat.
I also need to get on the gutter feeder setup. One day at a time.































 
yes it does. all i smell is pine :)
too bad that can't last very long
 

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