Well, glad to see ppl have had the same experience. As for keeping the birds and dogs seperated, it's always a bit of an ordeal around here. Number 1, we live way out away from everyone we are fortunate enough to allow our dogs to run loose. Number 2, the little dogs don't have a "pen" so if we let the birds loose then we have to be sure the little dogs are in the house. Number 3, My large dogs are all chained but my future inlaws don't have any desire to put up their two labs, the male loves to chase birds. So that's something I can't control because they aren't my dogs. And we've spent all our funds currently to build more chicken pens, not dog pens. It was MY dog that killed the duck but it was one of the ones who was chained and his chain broke in the middle of the night. I didn't know he was loose until the duck had already been killed. So while I'd love to have a nice big pen for all the dogs, right now it's just not possible so we have to keep all our birds up all the time. Accidents do happen that sometimes you just can't control everybody all the time so we do the best we can.