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[Newbietochickens]

I found worms in one of my dominique hens poo today. The worms were so tiny...I mean very tiny.

1). Just b/c she has worms does it mean they all do?

2.) How should I proceed? Worm bird in flock?

3). I started adding ACV to their water approximately 2 weeks ago. Could the vinegar have "expelled" the worms?

4). If it were you (people who know the right thing to do)...what would you go about doing?

Please help....
Thanks,

Clay

 

[threehorses]

Quote:
Are you certain that the worms were worms, and not maggots? (There is a lot of that going around lately).

Yes - if one has worms, you can assume the flock has a good sized infestation. So worm the entire flock and keep them on the same schedule. It makes life easier.

That way you also don't have infected birds infecting your wormed birds.

Would you say the worms were like rice, or more like threads?

I wouldn't say that if you used the acv at a normal level (1-2 teaspoons per gallon of water) that it would expel worms. Using it higher can be problematic as it creates TOO acidic a digestive tract environment. But if you used a good bit more, it's possible.

If it were me, I'd worm first with wazine 17 (piperazine 17%) in their water - wait 2 weeks, and then follow up with Fenbendazole (SafeGuard) in case it was actually tapeworm segments that you saw. Ivermectin 5% cattle pour on is another good choice, but not for tapes. Fenbendazole/safeguard is said by some institutions to possibly work for tapes.

Here's a recent bit of information on using fenbendazole/Safeguard for poultry owners.

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FENBENDAZOLE INFO FOR POULTRY OWNERS - gathered by Nathalie Ross

QUOTE (from MSU cares - see link below):
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"PARASITE (INTERNAL) SOLUTIONS

The following treatments have been shown to be effective for eliminating internal parasites from poultry and game birds. Neither of these drugs (fenbendazole or leviamisole) has been approved for use by FDA, so the producer accepts all responsibility for their use. Both drugs have been very effective if used properly and will eliminate most types of internal parasites that affect birds. Caution: Do not use with birds producing eggs or meat destined for human consumption.

Fenbendazole Treatments

One-day Treatment

1 oz Safeguard or Panacur per 15-20 lb feed

Dissolve the fenbendazole product in one cup of water. Mix this solution well into the feed and give to the birds as their only feed source for one day. When completely consumed, untreated feed can be given. Be sure that the commercial medication contains 10% fenbendazole.

Safeguard is a product of Ralston Purina, and Panacur is a product marketed by American Hoechst. One ounce of medication will treat about 1000 10-oz bobwhite quail. Adjustments of the amounts of medication and feed needed may be necessary depending on the number and size of the birds...."
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QUOTE:
"Fenbendazole has been shown to be a very effective treatment for eliminating Capillaria (capillary worms), Heterakis (cecal worms), Ascaridia (roundworms), and Syngamus spp. (gapeworms). Toxicity from overdosing with fenbendazole is very remote. Research indicates that amounts up to 100 times the recommended dosages have been given under research conditions without adverse effects to the birds. Use of this product during molt, however, may cause deformity of the emerging feathers."
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SOURCE:
http://msucares.com/poultry/diseases/solutions.html
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From Nathalie:
OK, now - let's work this out as they have it dosed.

One ounce = 30cc'*s = recommended treatment for 20 lbs of feed.

divide that all by 10
1/10th ounce = 3 cc's = treatment for 2 pounds of feed.

*Actually it's 29.5735296 cc's but I rounded up.

So get a syringe and measure out 3 cc's of SafeGuard liquid for goats (or paste for horses) for horses. It's 10%.(** see below.) Mix that in about 1/8th of a cup of water. Mix with the crumbles and let it set for about 10 minutes til it absorbs. Feed as their only source of feed for the day, and replace regular crumbles when all of that food is gone.

**Goat wormer looks like this: http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2&pf_id=0029013
**Horse/cattle paste looks like this: http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/pro … rd%20horse


Brieanna's Mom recently took her bird to the vet and the vet recommended 10% SafeGuard goat wormer as follows:

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QUOTE:
I am sharing this information to you from Starfire's doctor (my chicken's doctor) at Gladstone Vet in Gladstone Oregon. The vet put her on a deworming medicine and included some for the rest of my flock. I have never dewormed them before and I am not sure how many times per year I should do this but this is what she had me do..... and the best part is I found the prescription she gave me over-the-counter at Wilco (a local feed store) this evening!!

The prescription was called Fenbendazole Oral Suspension -- I was able to find this exact stuff at Wilco in Canby this evening. It was with the goat dewormer and the brand is called Safe-guard Dewormer for Goats. The 4.2 oz bottle cost $26.00 and does not expire until 11/2012 which will last a long time. When the doctor prescribed this for Starfire she said it was a very safe drug to use. The dosage she had me use was as follows:

.2 ml for my smaller banty chicken (2 to 3 pounds-ish).
.4 ml for my 4 to 5 pounds-ish hens.
.6 ml for my larger girls -- about 6 to 7 pounds-ish.

We put the medicine in a little syringe and squirt it in the chickens mouth. It actually goes in pretty easily -- the trick is trying to get their beak open and insert the medicine when they are exhaling.... ...

We were to do this dosage for each chicken for 4 days in a row for a deworming treatment. And not to eat the eggs (or feed them back to the girls as this could possibly be re-introducing the drug to them through their eggs) for 14 days.

SOURCE: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2765280#p2765280
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Last edited by threehorses (Today 12:28 am)

 

[Newbietochickens]

The worms were more like tiny tiny threads....really tiny. Does this help. So if I place the wazine in the water. Do i put it in my 3 gallon waterer and let them drink it for several days?

If I do this will this be enough? If they drink the water for let's say 3 days. Then do I stop eating the eggs for 14 days?

It seems like the water treatment would be easier than chasing every bird down to place an oral treatment down their beaks....

any more thoughts....????

 

[threehorses]

Quote:
This helps a lot - I was trying to determine if they were tapes (rice-like) or rounds (thread like at that size). So on the wazine 17, it's one fluid ounce per gallon for one day only. And yes - withdraw for 14 days. And yes - it's easier than chasing them!

Wazine is meant to be repeated as it only kills adults. Instead of following up with more wazine, I usually recommend following up with ivermectin 5% pour on (if you can catch the birds) or using fenbendazole liquid (as a wet mash) if you can't.

I'll put the fenbendazole information below:

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FENBENDAZOLE INFO FOR POULTRY OWNERS – gathered by Nathalie Ross

QUOTE (from MSU cares - see link below):
----------------------
"PARASITE (INTERNAL) SOLUTIONS

The following treatments have been shown to be effective for eliminating internal parasites from poultry and game birds. Neither of these drugs (fenbendazole or leviamisole) has been approved for use by FDA, so the producer accepts all responsibility for their use. Both drugs have been very effective if used properly and will eliminate most types of internal parasites that affect birds. Caution: Do not use with birds producing eggs or meat destined for human consumption.

Fenbendazole Treatments

One-day Treatment

1 oz Safeguard or Panacur per 15-20 lb feed

Dissolve the fenbendazole product in one cup of water. Mix this solution well into the feed and give to the birds as their only feed source for one day. When completely consumed, untreated feed can be given. Be sure that the commercial medication contains 10% fenbendazole.

Safeguard is a product of Ralston Purina, and Panacur is a product marketed by American Hoechst. One ounce of medication will treat about 1000 10-oz bobwhite quail. Adjustments of the amounts of medication and feed needed may be necessary depending on the number and size of the birds...."
----------------------------
QUOTE:
"Fenbendazole has been shown to be a very effective treatment for eliminating Capillaria (capillary worms), Heterakis (cecal worms), Ascaridia (roundworms), and Syngamus spp. (gapeworms). Toxicity from overdosing with fenbendazole is very remote. Research indicates that amounts up to 100 times the recommended dosages have been given under research conditions without adverse effects to the birds. Use of this product during molt, however, may cause deformity of the emerging feathers."
------------------------------
SOURCE:
http://msucares.com/poultry/diseases/solutions.html
------------------------------
From Nathalie:
OK, now - let's work this out as they have it dosed.

One ounce = 30cc'*s = recommended treatment for 20 lbs of feed.

divide that all by 10
1/10th ounce = 3 cc's = treatment for 2 pounds of feed.

*Actually it's 29.5735296 cc's but I rounded up.

So get a syringe and measure out 3 cc's of SafeGuard liquid for goats (or paste for horses) for horses. It's 10%.(** see below.) Mix that in about 1/8th of a cup of water. Mix with the crumbles and let it set for about 10 minutes til it absorbs. Feed as their only source of feed for the day, and replace regular crumbles when all of that food is gone.

**Goat wormer looks like this: http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2&pf_id=0029013
**Horse/cattle paste looks like this: http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/pro … rd%20horse


Brieanna's Mom recently took her bird to the vet and the vet recommended 10% SafeGuard goat wormer as follows:

===============
QUOTE:
I am sharing this information to you from Starfire's doctor (my chicken's doctor) at Gladstone Vet in Gladstone Oregon. The vet put her on a deworming medicine and included some for the rest of my flock. I have never dewormed them before and I am not sure how many times per year I should do this but this is what she had me do..... and the best part is I found the prescription she gave me over-the-counter at Wilco (a local feed store) this evening!!

The prescription was called Fenbendazole Oral Suspension -- I was able to find this exact stuff at Wilco in Canby this evening. It was with the goat dewormer and the brand is called Safe-guard Dewormer for Goats. The 4.2 oz bottle cost $26.00 and does not expire until 11/2012 which will last a long time. When the doctor prescribed this for Starfire she said it was a very safe drug to use. The dosage she had me use was as follows:

.2 ml for my smaller banty chicken (2 to 3 pounds-ish).
.4 ml for my 4 to 5 pounds-ish hens.
.6 ml for my larger girls -- about 6 to 7 pounds-ish.

We put the medicine in a little syringe and squirt it in the chickens mouth. It actually goes in pretty easily -- the trick is trying to get their beak open and insert the medicine when they are exhaling.... ...

We were to do this dosage for each chicken for 4 days in a row for a deworming treatment. And not to eat the eggs (or feed them back to the girls as this could possibly be re-introducing the drug to them through their eggs) for 14 days.

SOURCE of Brieanna's mom's post: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2765280#p2765280

(last edited by Nathalie Ross, August 24, 2009)

 

[Dazlin]

I also saw worms, I had given ground up pumpkin seeds, mixed with yogurt and cayenne pepper. Pumpkin seeds are known to expell the worms. You can can do a re-search on them.
I'm trying everything natural for now, including building them up with lot's of nutricious foods. It's said that a healthy bird won't have worms....so I'll see what happens.. A medical wormer, is a last resort for me, but I agree, sometimes it's the only way.

 

[Newbietochickens]

Thanks for all of your help! I also decided to go the natural route. I ordered a product online this monring called Verm-X. There is no egg withdrawl and you can treat them for 3 days in a row once a month. I am excited to see how it works. If anyone decides to buy it....in the box that says how did you hear about us...check other and put Clay Tillman so I can get a coupon. Thanks if you do this.
I hope this helps the ones of us that want to stay natural. It has gotten the UK Green Apple award 4 years in a row now.

http://www.verm-xusa.com