finally! i had one red golden and one golden hatch today. another golden has pipped and i just helped a red along. he was started last night, and was no farther along this evening. the membrane was dried too much. i carefully took away pieces of shell and rolled the membrane back enough for him to finish hatching. within ten minutes, he's out! two reds and one yellow so far! i have one more red, but no pip yet from him. i'll wait a few days for him. i'll post pics as soon as all are dried and ready for the brooder.