Important: Nystatin vs Copper Sulphate Usage and Prevention

[PureBigBird]

See posts for Copper Sulphate and Nystatin and metronidazole:
Have a turkey hen that is on a powerful antibiotic from vet: Ciprofloxacin
The vet did not test for the type of bacteria or even a fungus-the vet is gone from practice oFTEN
and the vet did not do chemistry either.
Illness unknown/not diagnosed, but only by symptoms. BUT, my need is the following:
I want to prevent a fungus outbreak from the antibiotics. Cooper Sulphate is used to clear pipes and root prevention. Ugh.

What should I do to PREVENT a hen from getting fungus from antibiotic or any fungus outbreak?
How to prevent via diet?
What are the symptoms of the different types of fungus in poultry?
Graphics/Photos anyone?

Can I get Nystatin online-where?
Can Nystatin be given as a preventative even if no fungus is diagnosed?
What medications or natural sources can be given as prevention?

- have read that copper sulphate is not effective? True or False? (at this link)
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1587842?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00071667308415998
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/1214/evaluation-of-water-acidification-products/
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/poultry/poisonings/overview-of-poisonings-in-poultry
https://www.pets4homes.co.uk/pet-advice/how-to-treat-canker-in-poultry.html
https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/Copper Sulfate 3 TR 2015.pdf
http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition/canker
General warnings: https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j/pjvs.2013.16.issue-1/pjvs-2013-0027/pjvs-2013-0027.pdf

End of data has Antitoxin for birds:
http://www.irishwildlifematters.ie/animals/bird-drugs.html



Has anyone tried an herbal product used for pigeons via pigeonnetwork.net?
Read this data: Berrimax, it is an herbal product put out by Sinornis Pharma Ltd,
this product and Citromed was available some time ago. Dr. Nils Reither backs it, who was a leading contributing avian vets at Pigeonnetwork.com.
What about the herb thyme (dosage?)?

What other methods can be used to help with prevention of fungus for the hen?

Can metronidazole be used for fungus instead of Nystatin?
And does metronidazole treat different fungus than Nystatin?

What dosage would I give of each for a 20lb turkey hen?
Please note that the following cases cipro toxicity have been shown in broiler poultry:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...TS_AND_HEAVY_METALS_ON_BROILER_BIRDS_A_REVIEW
https://veteriankey.com/birds-3/

 

[Eggcessive]

Some of your questions are more for a veterinarian, but I would not use any products unless I first saw a sign of fungal infection. First, what were the turkey's symptoms that prompted the cipro? Cipro is a broad spectrum antibiotic that will treat both gram negative and gram positive bacteria., so good for unknown illnesses. During and after antibiotic treatment it is good to give probiotics or a good probiotic plain yogurt such as Chobani or others. That can to prevent fungal overgrowth in the GI tract. Metronidazole is an antibiotic that treats certain bacteria and protozoa, such as canker in poultry. If fungal infection is seen, I would start with Nystatin first. Firststatevetsupply online advertises it for sale. Fluconazole is a very powerful antifungal that may be used later, but available through a vet. One thing I have learned is not to overdo medications. Medicines can cause side effects, and drugs that treat side effects can sometimes cause more serious problems. Many antibiotics will prevent eating eggs or meat in poultry later on, since some egg withdrawal times are unknown. Few drugs are approved for chickens or turkeys these days. NARAD has some info about egg withdrawal times.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

X2 - what @Eggcessive posted. I'm sorry your vet is hard to reach - hopefully you can somehow find a working relationship with them either through messaging, email or visiting in person so you can get the testing and medication you need.

The thing that caught my attention was your comment :::

Cooper Sulphate is used to clear pipes and root prevention. Ugh.

If you are looking at Copper Sulfate at home improvement stores like Lowes/Home Depot that is not the correct product. What you are asking for is Acidified Copper Sulfate which is labeled as a nutritional supplement for livestock - this would probably have to be ordered online through a vet supply like Jeffers Vet Supply or First State Vet Supply. This is a product that would need to be administered correctly, so do some good research/reading on how to use it.

Note the name of the product and the labeling as a "nutritional supplementation of dietary copper"

 

[PureBigBird]

Some of your questions are more for a veterinarian, but I would not use any products unless I first saw a sign of fungal infection. First, what were the turkey's symptoms that prompted the cipro? Cipro is a broad spectrum antibiotic that will treat both gram negative and gram positive bacteria., so good for unknown illnesses. During and after antibiotic treatment it is good to give probiotics or a good probiotic plain yogurt such as Chobani or others. That can to prevent fungal overgrowth in the GI tract. Metronidazole is an antibiotic that treats certain bacteria and protozoa, such as canker in poultry. If fungal infection is seen, I would start with Nystatin first. Firststatevetsupply online advertises it for sale. Fluconazole is a very powerful antifungal that may be used later, but available through a vet. One thing I have learned is not to overdo medications. Medicines can cause side effects, and drugs that treat side effects can sometimes cause more serious problems. Many antibiotics will prevent eating eggs or meat in poultry later on, since some egg withdrawal times are unknown. Few drugs are approved for chickens or turkeys these days. NARAD has some info about egg withdrawal times.

Thank you VERY much. No one eats the eggs. Wonderful intelligent Pets.

 

[PureBigBird]

X2 - what @Eggcessive posted. I'm sorry your vet is hard to reach - hopefully you can somehow find a working relationship with them either through messaging, email or visiting in person so you can get the testing and medication you need.

The thing that caught my attention was your comment :::
Cooper Sulphate is used to clear pipes and root prevention. Ugh.

If you are looking at Copper Sulfate at home improvement stores like Lowes/Home Depot that is not the correct product. What you are asking for is Acidified Copper Sulfate which is labeled as a nutritional supplement for livestock - this would probably have to be ordered online through a vet supply like Jeffers Vet Supply or First State Vet Supply. This is a product that would need to be administered correctly, so do some good research/reading on how to use it.

Note the name of the product and the labeling as a "nutritional supplementation of dietary copper"
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Thank you. Appreciated greatly. There are warnings about cipro usage in birds. The vet gave me the incorrect or a completely different dosage for two of medications last yr and early this yr for my hens. When I asked the vet about it...For example: a dog dosage per weight. I said nothing, but Wanted to ask the vet why a dog dosage was given to my hen. So am very concerned as I administer the ciprofloxacin-100 mg or 2 mls (ground to powder 2 500 mg tablets mixed with 20 mls of with a water to form a mixture to be given at 2 mls (100 mg) every 12 hours) via the vet. A dosage for enrofloxacin would only be .9 mls for a 20 lb turkey hen per input from another user. Here is a merkvetmanual table: http://www.merckvetmanual.com/exoti...als/pet-birds/bacterial-diseases-of-pet-birds
Wouldn't want to harm my hens-dosage for her 100mg twice daily according to the vet; manual says 25mg/kg PI BID which I think that is (20 / 2.2) * 25 or about 227.3 mg and the hen is getting 100 mg 2 x daily. Hopefully she will not have side-effects. She is feeling strange--she has stopped being talkative and stands up often rather than her sitting behavior. Thus far, stool normal and she is still eating very well.

 

[Loletafarm]

Acidified copper sulfate seems to be working for my hens who suffered from vent gleet. I highly recommend it.

I used:
1/4 teaspoon for 1 gallon of water for 5 days. This is the correct measurements, do not alter the dose and the amount of days given. Make a new batch everyday to make sure it is clean.

After treatment I used a probiotic in their watered.

When treating your hens always make sure you’re keeping everything clean. Watered, bedding, poop scooped up. A clean environment helps keep chickens healthy.

 

[rcnana]

Acidified copper sulfate seems to be working for my hens who suffered from vent gleet. I highly recommend it.

I used:
1/4 teaspoon for 1 gallon of water for 5 days. This is the correct measurements, do not alter the dose and the amount of days given. Make a new batch everyday to make sure it is clean.

After treatment I used a probiotic in their watered.

When treating your hens always make sure you’re keeping everything clean. Watered, bedding, poop scooped up. A clean environment helps keep chickens healthy.

I have vent gleet going on right now. Did you clean their vent also? I have heard I need to soak their bottoms and put on Monistat every 48 hours. I have added the ACV to the water and added nystatin to their food. I suspect my Roo is a super spreader so I have been treating them as a whole.