Inbred genetics?

[ConchRepublic]

I have a Roo that I'm going to use to start a project with and I plan on breeding him with various females to try to get birds that have the certain traits I'm trying to breed get. Would any bad side effects come from breeding the "half siblings" together to combine the traits I want (say breeding him with a BCM/RIR cross for color and production and also with a JG then breeding some of the children together who exhibit his rose comb, some of the colors I want, gamebird-like body shape, and the larger sizes I want)? Would there be to much inbred if I then bred these chicks that aren't "directly his with others that are his?

I haven't been able to find any birds with similar appearance to his so I was wondering if this would work out until I can have a few birds with the traits and breed them with others and spread the genetics a bit. He also has a very odd temperament I'm wanting to breed, very calm not caring about much, even though he was wild and has a slight fear of humans which can easily be solved by handling and imprinting the chicks.

Here are pictures of him.

I'm wearing the gloves because it was both the quarantine phase after getting him and he was highly "no touchy" at the time

 

[Mahonri]

He is real pretty.

All I can say is do it and see what you come up with.

It's also nice to breed to non-related birds to give hybrid vigor.

 

[YB192004]

FYI, it takes 7-8 generations of selective inbred to have them breed true.

 

[ConchRepublic]

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That's what I'm aiming for but without to much inbreeding to cause problems. Hopefully I'll be able to have good bids after roughly 15 generations. Yes this is a long term goal lmao. Older birds, and unfit chicks will either be sold or move in next to the mojo and sweet sauce, though aiming more towards the selling, don't have much of a gut to butcher birds I've raised but I wont be able to house the numbers that will arise by the time they are adults, even though this will be one generation at a time.

 

[blackdotte]

He is split for Silver & gold so won't breed true for colour anyway.
David

 

[aveca]

Good luck with your project!
It wont happen overnight thou
People have been doing this for a long time.
The sebright is an example among many. Almost all breeds today except a few like egyptians , were from a trait that breeders liked and wanted to improve. some like egyptian were natural selection, fittest survive, have very few disease problems today..

It was very popular for long time and for a period of time many new breeds were created and added to the standard, notice not many are added today cause no one works on a project like this anymore..there is one new bird up for consideration called the cequred (sp) the breder didnt feel that a certian breed had a finished look to it so he added a few traits he thought gave the barred bird a classy finished look and now breeding true..he lives in england...one of the few today being considered for the standard.

The good parts are producing desired traits such as color, a certian type, better tasting meat, better egg laying ect...

the downfalls are inbred birds are more prone to disease ect..Like when you breed for a good trait you may be passing on a deadly silent gene ..as example in royal families hemophilia and porphrea are ressesive genes that showed up in these families.

It would probably need a close outcross wouldnt it from time to time to protect from that wouldnt it? Studypast breeders notes , references on thier projects, there are a lot of people in here with great deal of knowlege on this subject.

 

[ConchRepublic]

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My Gypsies are similar to egyptians. They were Spanish gamebirds thrown on an island 200 years ago by Spanish sailors, and this is what came out of them when some locals also brought in some other birds.

I don't plan on getting any decent birds out of this for at least a couple years. Patient waiting will be key... hard for someone who can't sit still for 4 minutes though lol.

 

[aveca]

Good luck with your gypsy project too!
Keep us all posted on your progress. I thinks its important. I think there were one or 2 people in here working on mereks free birds. The leghorn I beleive who is decended from the egyptian is one of those breeds that isnt really affected by meraks so things like that are so important to the future of chicken breeding. Its an art for sure. I was really impressed with the guy in england who created the cequred , . He quietly worked along in the background, when he got close to what he was after he introduced them..They got rave reviews. there was a feature in practical poultry on him and his project... The birds are awsome, not only did he get the finished look, he also improved the color in the barring that must have been very tough they really look checkered. You have to know what your after and dont let anything interfer and keep focused

Im working on an improvment project but mines very basic and simple compared to those smarty pants out there who create new breeds and whom I admire so much.