ISO Chicken Exorcist

LABElle1225

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Jun 23, 2018
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Someone or something is starting major drama in my flock.
18 laying hens, 2 four month old Brahma cockerels, 4 Black Star pullets (separate), 3 cockerels (desperate to be included but separate)
Nothing has changed in the last few weeks but we have total chaos daily. Everyone’s happily singing, dancing, laying all morning and grazing mid day but come late afternoon / early evening feathers fly, nasty clucks, and as of yesterday escalated to murder.
We’ve had the 4 pullets separated from the flock but out of the house for around 4 months but the crew has seen and been around them -while supervised. Not too bad at those times - a BO pecked one, RIR, BR, Red Stars chased them around a bit.
Our barn houses our coops - 6 converted horse stalls. Last week while cleaning coops I had an emergency and ran to the house. I had latched the lower door but missed the upper. In the 10 minutes I was away the wind blew open the upper and a RIR flew in by the pullets. I heard them screaming and the RIR growl - clucking but was able to intervene before anyone was hurt.
Yesterday was a beautiful day and as I have done in the past put the pullets in a small run just outside the barn. I was in the house but had an unobstructed view of them and periodically went down to check on them, feed, water, and collect eggs.
Shortly after 4 pm I saw the RIRs, Red Stars, BRs, and possibly BO(sun bleached coloring from the side is similar to the Stars) around the small run and heard screams. The largest and friendliest pullet was down. She somehow I’m assuming out of curiosity put her head thru a gap near the door and one or more of the hens nearly decapitated her. It was one thick deep cut on the side of the neck, not multiple, onus a handful of feathers on the ground. Thankfully she passed instantly and did not suffer. I didn’t actually witness the attack so I’m wondering what behaviors might be a red flag or clue to the attacker.
While I was moving the surviving 3 pullets to a secure area a few of my kindest girls (Brahma, cemani, and Cochin) went after some suspects and would not let any of the flock near the body. The BO got past and started to peck the neck wound and the other suspects kept inching closer. I had a complete breakdown while attempting to remove Pink from the area and the kind girl group laid down in the grass by me.
I’m concerned my kind girls behavior appeared compassionate but was evil. Is my BO a canabillistic demon? What am I missing?
Our top pecking order is the Brahma and she has never shown aggression. She allows all to eat beside her whether it’s at a food tray, hand fed snack time, or grazing. She’s normally very good at shutting down drama and very protective of the smaller birds.
We’ve had aggression issues with the RIRs, Barred Rocks here there but more like a crabby peck than mean, Red Stars all the time but mostly about food. IMO because they were in those low ceiling chicken tractors the first 6 months of life.
These days at dinner it’s common hear a scream, look out, and see a chicken running away from nothing. Bedtime is filled with squaks, shrieks, flapping wings, and pecking on the roosts.
We added cameras (night vision and sound) with motion alert to the security system in barn, coops, sides, and behind but unfortunately not (front) facing house this past spring. They are all sleeping soundly. No predators, strange noises, or other spookies.
I’ve checked them all for pests and parasites. Coop cleaning/dusting all the same products. No changes in foods or even containers.
I’m totally stumped. What/Who is causing all things evil to infect my flock????
 
So you keep your flock divided up? I guess I'm not understanding the housing situation. Birds will fight with those they perceive as not part of the flock. If those birds can't escape they will get hurt and possibly killed. Do you provide spots for birds to slip under or through? Chickens are very territorial and need a certain amount of space otherwise they will become aggressive.

Sharing more about your set up and birds with pictures may help to understand what you have going on.

There almost always is drama on the roosts at night as birds settle and bicker over the best spots.

Do you provide multiple feeding stations? That's important so all birds can get something to eat and drink. Do you have multiple roost options?

Sounds like you haven't integrated your younger birds yet?
 
Here are my thoughts. Your Top of the pecking chicken does not need to show aggression, since she knows she is #1
The bottom of the pecking order chickens do show aggression, since they want to be above the bottom in pecking order. I have seen this in my Pet Flock. Never got viscous though. Pecking order showdowns.
One solution is a good size BBQ.
RIRs, Red Stars, BRs, and possibly BO Taste good.
WISHING YOU BEST,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and :welcome
 
So you keep your flock divided up? I guess I'm not understanding the housing situation. Birds will fight with those they perceive as not part of the flock. If those birds can't escape they will get hurt and possibly killed. Do you provide spots for birds to slip under or through? Chickens are very territorial and need a certain amount of space otherwise they will become aggressive.

Sharing more about your set up and birds with pictures may help to understand what you have going on.

There almost always is drama on the roosts at night as birds settle and bicker over the best spots.

Do you provide multiple feeding stations? That's important so all birds can get something to eat and drink. Do you have multiple roost options?

Sounds like you haven't integrated your younger birds yet?

We have a bachelor pad due to our rooster situation. They have a coop/run - never allowed to free range. We were stuck at the look but don’t touch stage of pullet integration. The flock can choose which stall to sleep in - except pullet nursery or bachelor pad.
We have acreage, 50x70 barn, pond etc. This was a horse farm in the 70s.
 
This was a little hard to follow but most of what you described sounded like normal chicken behavior. Even the pecking at the wound is normal. Chickens are naturally drawn to the color red and because they have no hands, they peck.

Sorry about the pullet you lost. It seems odd that pecking would cause one large wound. Are you sure it didn't cut it's neck on some wire or a sharp edge?
 
Here are my thoughts. Your Top of the pecking chicken does not need to show aggression, since she knows she is #1
The bottom of the pecking order chickens do show aggression, since they want to be above the bottom in pecking order. I have seen this in my Pet Flock. Never got viscous though. Pecking order showdowns.
One solution is a good size BBQ.
RIRs, Red Stars, BRs, and possibly BO Taste good.
WISHING YOU BEST,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and :welcome

I can always count on you caveman! I was worried about the nice girls behavior - mostly Brahma. She’s a good top chicken, normally keeps them safe, does the time to roost call etc. Sadly BBQ girls are middle/upper AND great layers. Bantam Cochin etc. and baby Roos were no where near incident or being groomed/bug checked. WTH. Is it a breed thing? I’m have 13 babies with unknown parents in the house
 
This was a little hard to follow but most of what you described sounded like normal chicken behavior. Even the pecking at the wound is normal. Chickens are naturally drawn to the color red and because they have no hands, they peck.

Sorry about the pullet you lost. It seems odd that pecking would cause one large wound. Are you sure it didn't cut it's neck on some wire or a sharp edge?

Pink was my favorite. It’s probably hard to follow because I’m still shook up and freaked out we will have another murder.
Without getting too graphic there was a struggle, appeared to be pulled outward vs back and no sharp edges (all rounded and with that black rubbery coating).
The BO makes me nervous. She’s Turned to pecking at anyone lately and a little bit of a loaner.
The Brahma just had a neck wound (undershot top roost and scraped on the way down) and it was completely ignored. Didn’t think about the peck to check it out. Thank you.
 
So you keep your flock divided up? I guess I'm not understanding the housing situation. Birds will fight with those they perceive as not part of the flock. If those birds can't escape they will get hurt and possibly killed. Do you provide spots for birds to slip under or through? Chickens are very territorial and need a certain amount of space otherwise they will become aggressive.

Sharing more about your set up and birds with pictures may help to understand what you have going on.

There almost always is drama on the roosts at night as birds settle and bicker over the best spots.

Do you provide multiple feeding stations? That's important so all birds can get something to eat and drink. Do you have multiple roost options?

Sounds like you haven't integrated your younger birds yet?

Not at home to take photos but..

They are free range over approx 3 acres. I have large PVC feeders and water stations in each coop plus 3 additional around the property. Plus I make them brunch and dinner (leftovers, cut up fruit and veggies, oatmeal, etc.)
Most of the time they all end up drinking from the pond - I think because they enjoy crawfish and frog snack. The ponds a 1/2 acre so plenty of space.
Roosters are in a small run area behind the barn with their own stall/coop. It’s like a super max prison for chickens waiting for new homes.
Stalls are 6x10 - main flock has 3 to choose from but they all migrate to one.
X2 10 foot roosting bars per stall.
X6 nesting boxes per stall.
6ft PVC water station per stall
6 ft PVC food station per

Pullets have their own stall and I was using a collapsible/portable style run I thought was secure.

Main flock - full access to property.
Roosters - jailed
Pullets/Nursery - secure stall / portable run set up outside of the barn.
 
I am responsible for the pullet situation. Poor supervision and a run suitable for grown birds. They are so small and fragile under all the feathers. I knew they couldn’t handle pecking order but failed securing the run. 6 ft of chicken wire would have saved a life.
 
I don't know, it just seems really odd to me. I know chickens can kill each other but it takes more than a peck to the neck. Their skin seems thin but it take effort to rip it. I'm wondering if maybe one pecked her and she got scared and tried to pull her head back in. Maybe she couldn't, freaked out, and began thrashing and broke her own neck. Or maybe no one pecked her and she got scared because she got stuck. Those higher in the pecking order will peck a bird that is freaking out. My rooster often gives a peck to the head of a pullet or hen who starts freaking out because she can't find the door (which is normally 6 in to one side). So it would be normal for others to be drawn to the noises.

Chickens find new and inventive ways to hurt themselves all the time. I honestly don't think your other chickens sound like a bunch of vicious murderesses. You would be seeing wounds and probably feather pulling. I think you would also notice more birds hiding from the bullies. Your set-up provides more than enough room, feeders, and waterers for 18 hens. I know it's of little comfort but I think this was just a freak accident.

Try not to beat yourself up too much. We have all made mistakes in our chicken keeping, and yes sometimes those mistakes have deadly consequences. We can only learn from them and try not to repeat them. :hugs
 
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