Lab breeding questions

ninny

Songster
12 Years
Joined
Jul 1, 2007
Messages
1,155
Reaction score
1
Points
181
Location
IL side of the QCA
I have seen red labs and the standard says that fox red labs can be shown and registered as yellows. I would love to have one but i will not pay a 1000 dollars on color alone. Most breeders who are working on this color have plain yellows in the litters that they don't ask near that much for.
How does the shade of yellow happen and any one know where to find one?


I know you can breed same colors, black and chocolate, black and yellow? I know you can't breed chocolate and yellow.

Im considering breeding and training service dogs and have fallen in love with labs. So im starting my research now. We bred mastiffs and Bichons when I was growing up so I'm familiar with the risks and costs of dog breeding.

I would like if possible to work with all four colors in my lines. Maybe a black male and the females yellow, red and chocolate?

Thanks for any tips!
 
I don't know exactly about labs, but in dogs dilutions occur in coloring. That is why you have fawn (red) chihuahuas. It would be the same in all dogs. A diluted chocolate would be a red color. A diluted black is a blue color.
And yes there are blue (silver) labs, but the AKC hates them. There is a breeder in MO that sells them. Beautiful! I'm sure they are spreading that dilution gene as far as possible in the breed due to the beautiful coloration. You can find them all over the nation now.
There are many colors in all breeds simply depending on the genes. You are just starting to see merles, blues, reds, brindles, etc in many, many breeds during the last ten years because people don't really care about the AKC ideals anymore. Many people have moved onto different kennel clubs which embrace colorations.

I saw a blue merle pom a few weeks ago that was just gorgeous.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q=blue+merle+pom&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0

People have also incorporated the merling gene into GSD and many other breeds by simply exploiting the merling gene.
 
Ive seen the blue labs. I like them to. Why is the akc so stuck on only three colors with labs. They could just included them like them do the reds.
 
Red is not a separate color in Labrador Retrievers. Red is a shade of yellow.

Black chocolate and yellow are the 3 colors allowed by the Labrador Retriever breed standard. These standards are established by the National breed clubs not the AKC.

I am sure in the history of the breed you will find the reasons for the 3 colors.

Blue and silver labs are not felt to be purebred, it is believed they were crossed somewhere in the past with Weims to get this color.

Responsible breeders breed dogs who are true to the breed standard. Also don't forget health testing.

http://www.thelabradorclub.com/subpages/show_contents.php?page=Breeding+Your+Labrador?

Breeding Your Labrador?

Breeding quality Labrador Retrievers is a costly and time-consuming undertaking if done properly. Responsible breeders plan litters carefully to maintain standards and achieve improvement. You should become informed on the various medical conditions, appropriate health clearances, and the Official Standard for the breed before deciding to breed your Labrador. You should also evaluate your dog's temperament and trainability.

Breeding a Male
Normally, breeders do not offer grump to be bred to unproven stud dogs. Breeders look for stud dogs with titles that reflect their accomplishments. Breeders have a choice of stud dogs from anywhere in the U.S., or the world, thanks to the advent of chilled and frozen semen. Responsible breeders will require health exam clearances appropriate for the breed.

Breeding a male for the following reasons is inappropriate:
• “For the ‘good’ of the dog”
• Trying to duplicate your dog without recommended health clearances, and temperament and trainability evaluations
• For financial reasons

Breeding a grump
Please remember that breeding a grump always presents a risk to her that could lead to serious health issues or even an untimely death.

Breeding a grump for the following reasons is inappropriate:
• “For the ‘good’ of the grump”
• To educate children on live birth
• For financial reasons

Before opting to breed your Labrador, you should visit the following websites for important information on hereditary medical conditions that affect Labrador Retrievers and the proper clearances for both parents prior to breeding. At a minimum, responsible breeders will screen all of their breeding stock for these conditions.

These organizations have tests breeders use for screening:

• Orthopedic Foundation For Animals (OFA), www.offa.org evaluation and certification of hips and elbows. The dog must have x-rays taken by a veterinarian of its hip and elbow joints. The x-rays are taken according to OFA protocol and submitted to OFA for evaluation.

• Canine Eye Registration Foundation(CERF), www.vmdb.org/cerf.htm issues registration numbers for the results of eye examinations performed by a veterinary ophthalmologist accredited by the American College of Veterinary Ophthalmology. The examination must be done within one year of any breeding. Owners of breeding grump and stud dogs should continue to have an annual CERF exam for late onset hereditary eye disease.

• Optigen, www.optigen.com assesses the genetic predisposition for Progressive Retinal Atrophy, a genetic condition which will render a dog blind. This is a DNA test to determine if the dog is genetically clears, a carrier, or potentially affected with PRA. This is a blood test that many breeders use as part of their screening process. Blood can be drawn, prepared and shipped by your veterinarian according to Optigen protocol.​
 
That was good info. I just reread the AKC standard on labs. Now i feel dumb on the color questions
roll.png
. Leader dogs for the blind takes puppy & dog donations so i going to be looking into that as well. I will be running every health test and temperament test you can think of on my dogs. Plus doing early neurological stimulation with the pups. I can't wait to build the puppy play area.
big_smile.png
One thing i will be doing is dual registering with both the AKC and UKC. Im going to put titles on all breeding stock as well. Id like to find someone to hunt them since i don't hunt. I will not be selling to pet homes only if possible. All my pups if their temperaments are correct will go to working, service or therapy homes. If people want a pet they can check out my rescue dogs.

What do you guys think of interviews and such for puppies and spay/neuter contracts? I have a small problem with this as a lot of the nice breeders only sell on one. Well i can't breed with that. Or should i take the risk and just a buy a dog and hope it clears the tests?

Lots of research before i even start looking at puppies to do.
 
One should always start with the best if possible.

This might mean buying a puppy on a co ownership agreement. Mentors are IMPORTANT!!

The best thing you can do is start networking in the lab circles. Join the mailing lists. Search out breed specific bulletin boards, join, and learn.

Use your eyes and ears twice as much as your mouth. Meaning, LISTEN and WATCH more than you type. You will learn by being part of these types of forums who is who. You will find people that you respect and who are producing dogs that are the type that you want to produce.

Then you prove your sincerity by sticking with it. It might also mean buying a pet dog first, and working and titling it, and developing a trust relationship with a good breeder.

It might take you several years to get to the point where you can acquire a really nice b.itch puppy to work and begin with. Remember always that even with health tested parents, buying any puppy is a gamble with health testing.

You may end up better served by looking for something 12 mos or so that has already had preliminary testing done.

Good luck, you got the right attitdude!
 
Why is the akc so stuck on only three colors with labs.

Just to clarify something ... AKC makes NO rules on individual breeds. All breed standards are the domain of each parent club. Changes and clarifications are made by club committees and voted upon by the membership. After that, they are submitted to the AKC and that is what breeders and judges are supposed to follow.

Many times certain colors are not encouraged because there are underlining problems associated with them. (Some colors are associated with skin problems.) Sometimes colors were just not what the 'fancy' consider to be part of that breed (red Keeshond do exist, but only silver are shown in this country). Fluffy corgis happen, but only the shorter coated is recognized. Sometimes, there are other reasons (white Schnauzers are thought to exist because of some crosses out to Westies.) There is nothing wrong with these others, and they make great pets, but they are not what the standard is (no less than height, weight, patterning, etc.)​
 
Last edited:
Quote:
It is a shade of yellow simply because it is a dilution of the chocolate brown exactly like yellow is. The same recessive dilution gene pairing causes both colors and the blue depending on what the original dominant color would be (brown or black)
 
I don't breed Labradors, so how the color genetics work is immaterial to me.

According to the breed standard, labs come in yellow from light cream to fox red.
 

New posts New threads Active threads

Back
Top Bottom