Mixing Of Age's

egm1947

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Being new, we started out with 4 white leghorns that are now 14 weeks old that we are hoping will start laying in a few weeks.
Well, when they were 4 weeks old mama decided they were so cute she wanted a few more. So The following week she received 3 Barred Plymouth Rocks, 3 Australorp, 2 New Hampshire Reds.
So needless to say we are overrun to the point I had to buy another coup.
Now to my question, I've got the eight 9 to 10-week olds in a small coup designed for 4 to 5.
We are lost as to what to do....
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You will need a bigger coop, or to add on to the existing structure, or keep less birds. After they all sexually mature and start laying you can end up with behavioural problems from crowding and boredom. Chickens are viscous when not given enough room.
 
Man, looking at your collection, I have a hard time understanding where you get
"Backyard" out of that beautiful collection of "Farmyard" birds. And yes I realized
I would need to addon to the existing coup, but that was not my question???
 
“We are lost as to what to do....”

I’m not sure what this refers to. Are you talking about how to get a larger coop? Are you talking about how to integrate them? Or something else? Your question isn’t very clear so can you help us out.

If you are talking about building a larger coop, where do you live? This question is really about climate and what kind of weather you can expect this winter plus your worst summer weather. Are all your chickens pullets? How big are your existing facilities? Size in feet or meters of your coops and runs. How many nests do you have in that tiny coop? Are you willing to build yourself or must you buy?

If the question is about integrating them, again how big are your existing facilities, in feet or meters? You’ve given us the numbers and ages, four 14 week olds and eight ten week olds. Do you allow them to free range at times or are they always in the coop/run? When are they now? Are all of them pullets? If not, how many males?

If you can be a little clearer maybe we can help you. But right now I don’t understand the question.
 
Ok, I'll try to make it clearer. I want to integrate them together. The current coup
they will be in before I enlarge it 6' x 10' with 4 nesting boxes. The run I have attached
is 10' x 60' with a 10' x12' tarp cover next to the coup.
The plan is to add an additional 4' to the width of the coup and use roll up tarps on
sides when we do have extreme weather. So when I'm done the coup itself will be
10' x 10' with 6 nesting boxes for 11 hens and 2 roo's.
 
Oh, you snuck in another chicken. That’s 13, not 12. Still, that number doesn’t change things but two males might.

You only need three nests for eleven hens but an extra doesn’t hurt. Six is really overkill. You might save yourself some materials and construction time by only providing four. Depending on how you do your nests they sometimes take a fair amount of construction and might use some fairly expensive hardware.

That’s going to be a lot of room, your pullets will love it. The question comes in with the cockerels. Sometimes two males get along great when in the same flock, sometimes they don’t. Especially in adolescence they will determine which is boss, probably by fighting. That may be serious fighting, it may mostly be running away and chasing. It’s just something to watch for, you may need a plan to handle it if they can’t get along. Without even considering integration, expect a lot of drama down there when the cockerels and pullets go through puberty. The age difference in the two groups may add to that a bit.

So how do you integrate 14 week olds with 10 week olds? Start out buy housing them side by side for at least a week. They need to get used to each other so they don’t fight just because they are strangers. The older chicks will dominate the younger anyway, so it would not really be fighting. The older would beat up the younger and the younger would try to run away.

After they have gotten used to each other, allow them to roam together during the day. Weekends are usually best but some time you can be around to observe and act if it gets too physical. It’s great if they go to different places to sleep at night as long as they are predator proof. There is probably enough age difference that the two groups will form two sub-flocks, soon get to hanging out in two separate groups but being peaceful as long as they stay separated. Forcing them to stay close to each other can cause bullying and lead to injury.

Having separate feeding and watering stations helps a lot. One way the older intimidate the younger (chickens are natural bullies) is to keep them away from food and water. Two or three feeding and watering stations destroys that strategy. It also helps to have places the younger can hide behind or under. Don’t create traps where they can get stuck and can’t get away if they are attacked, but just breaking the line of sight can help avoid conflict.

Another good thing to have is some place the younger can perch to get above the older. It’s pretty common for my younger ones to be on the roosts when the adults are on the ground when they are all locked in the coop. The younger are just avoiding the older. They like to perch anyway so something they can get up on is usually a good thing to have.

The time mine are most cruel to each other is as they are settling down for the night. Where they get to sleep is based on the pecking order. The ones higher in the pecking order (your older ones until they all mature enough to form one flock, usually when the youngest start to lay) get to decide where they want to sleep and can be pretty vicious about enforcing those pecking order rights. What I practically always see is that the younger will not sleep on the roosts with the older until they mature because they get beat up. In the meantime they look for a safer place to sleep. That might be your nests. If you have a lot of spread out roosting area it may work out but I ran into that problem so much I wound up putting in a juvenile roost. It’s a little lower than the main roost and horizontally separated yet higher than the nests. If your younger ones start sleeping in your nests you might consider something like this. Or if you are going to be adding more chicks later just build one now.

The more room you have when you try to integrate the better. That’s in the coop as well as the run. That’s even more important when you have younger ones going through puberty. The issues you are most likely to see are probably going to be more about puberty and those two cockerels than actual integration. My first step would be to figure out how to house them side by side for a while. A separate coop/pen where you can isolate a chicken often comes in handy anyway. Get your expansion done and then go for it. With that kind of space you have a great chance for it to work out. Good luck!
 
Based on your picture, the red coop with silver metal roof is only about 4 x 4. The open area, while covered with roof is actually an enclosed run. Definition of a coop is the indoor space where birds spend the night on roosts. You could easily turn that entire structure into a coop by tarping the existing hardware cloth walls, or replacing them with plywood. What kind of ventilation is there in the coop part of that structure? It's imperative that you have lots of ventilation which will not be placing the birds in a draft as they roost at night. I've heard it said that birds should have 1 s.f. of ventilation in the coop per bird (though that may be excessive based on flock size and coop design). Recommendation is also for a minimum of 4 s.f. in coop per bird. You might get some good construction ideas by looking at the coop design forum on BYC. Also, take a look at the "woods" coop. You don't say where you live, but no matter where, ventilation and space are key. A coop without adequate ventilation is an open invitation to frost bite in the winter and respiratory issues year round. Adding windows to a coop is also a good idea b/c it affords natural lighting, as well as easy ventilation while a tip out window will shed rain.
 

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