Need Help! Blue Orpington Hen - lethargic today, just wanted to drink closing eyes

[SassysMom]

Star is doing much better today. Her eyes are open and clear, her tail feathers are up and she's eating and drinking. I think she figured she'd rather be outside in the cold than spend another night in Sick Bay. Will keep a close eye on her, though.

 

[Eggcessive]

Nice to hear she is doing well. I am all for doing things naturally if possible, but I recently read on here where someones chickens toes fell off from mites. They also can kill a chicken from anemia. Permethrin as well as sevin is widely used in chickens. Here is som info: http://ohioline.osu.edu/vme-fact/0018.html

 

[All Henned Up]

All Henned Up: You provided good information. However, DDT was banned in 1972.

On the label of sevin dust It says not for animals.
DDT is also outlawed, I didn't realize that part was in my post, I had just overlooked it.
Permethrin is now the recommended insecticide for use on animals.

I was only trying to help, not start a debate or step on anybody's toes.

 

[casportpony]

I also heard/read that Carbaryl is no longer approved for use in poultry, but would like to see where that's documented.

-Kathy

 

[All Henned Up]

I also heard/read that Carbaryl is no longer approved for use in poultry, but would like to see where that's documented.

-Kathy

From regulations.gov website

39468 Federal Register/Vol. 69, No. 125/Wednesday, June 30, 2004/Notices
TABLE 1.—REGISTRATIONS WITH REQUESTS FOR AMENDMENTS TO DELETE USES IN CERTAIN PESTICIDE REGISTRATIONS—Continued
Registration no. Product Name Active Ingredient Delete From Label
000100–00786 Evik DF Herbicide Ametryn Uses in bananas (and plan- tains) and noncrop areas
000264–00316 SEVIN Brand 80S Carbaryl Insecticide Carbaryl Use on poultry
000264–00333 SEVIN Brand XLR PLUS Carbaryl In- secticide
Carbaryl Use on poultry
000264–00349 SEVIN Brand 4F Carbaryl Insecticide Carbaryl Use on poultry

 

[dawg53]

Quote: No debate or anything. There's a ton of products that are used on poultry not labeled for poultry such as; ivermectin, eprinex, corid, vaseline, neosporin, tricide neo, valbazen, safeguard equine and goat wormers, iodine, etc etc etc.... yet these products are used on poultry. Please read this link and scroll down to "Treatment," where sevin IS recommended by experts as a treatment for lice and mites. It even explains how to apply it.
http://ohioline.osu.edu/vme-fact/0018.html

 

[All Henned Up]

I agree. We use a lot of stuff that is not labeled for the use we have in mind. Dawg you know from pm's and other posts I value your advice. I had just stated that they had outlawed it and removed from the label that is was for animals.

What will kill the Knemidokoptes laevis var. gallinae also known as the depluming mite, not sevin, not permethrin... sulfur and it is labeled for use in poultry and other animals.


quote " Please read this link and scroll down to "Treatment," where sevin IS recommended by experts as a treatment for lice and mites. It even explains how to apply it. http://ohioline.osu.edu/vme-fact/0018.html"

This link doesn't even mention the depluming mite. Nor does it state what year it was created... Probably before the relabeling of sevin products. The point I was trying to make was about the depluming mite, most people have never heard of it or how to treat it.

 

[SassysMom]

I love this site! Thank you all for all of this information!!!

The worming concoction I used on all the hens and roos was something of a pumpkin soup. Fresh pumpkin (seeds and pulp), garlic, molasses, a small amount of plain, homemade yogurt (with cultures) , old fashioned oats, shredded carrot. That was 4 days ago. I did see, I think they're pin worms (?) in the poop the next day, dead. My Blue Orp hen has done much better today, active, eating, drinking, staying with her flock. Tail feathers up instead of down, as they were yesterday. They were all treated for possible coccidia last week---I don't have the bottle in front of me, but I believe it's Cotrin...or something like that. No signs of being sick if there was coccida present.

I did a complete physical on my hen, aka "Star" last evening. No parasites seen anywhere on her body. I examined inside her vent. What I found crawling on my rubber gloves was a tiny, but clearly visible cream/white thing, moving very rapidly, but didn't crawl on my arms or other body parts. I had about 6-8 on my gloves. They were moving too fast to be able to see how many legs they had. My assumption was mites---if not, what are they??? We treated the Blue Orp flock. Tomorrow I'll do my mixed flock, even though the the two flocks are still separated from each other.

I did get rid of all of the litter, disinfected the nexting box and the rest of the coop, including roosts, ladders, feeders, put ACV in the rabbit waterers. The coops get cleaned everyday, in one fashion or the other. I did a deep cleaning in September, and have kept up with the daily cleaning removing poop from all services, the deep litter is turned almost everyday. The poop trays under the roosts are cleaned everyday.

I am completely open to anything else I can do and very much appreciate all the help and education I can get. I have chickens for many years, but this is the first time I've had more than 8 (we grew to 15 this year), and my first time with my beautiful English Blue Orps that I love. Just have to get things fine-tuned and find out what made my hen feel so punk. One thing that really has me stumped, still, is the amount my hen was drinking last evening before it was time for bed, and she started doing the same thing as soon as she got out of sick bay this morning???

 

[dawg53]

I agree. We use a lot of stuff that is not labeled for the use we have in mind. Dawg you know from pm's and other posts I value your advice. I had just stated that they had outlawed it and removed from the label that is was for animals.

What will kill the Knemidokoptes laevis var. gallinae also known as the depluming mite, not sevin, not permethrin... sulfur and it is labeled for use in poultry and other animals.


quote " Please read this link and scroll down to "Treatment," where sevin IS recommended by experts as a treatment for lice and mites. It even explains how to apply it. http://ohioline.osu.edu/vme-fact/0018.html"

This link doesn't even mention the depluming mite. Nor does it state what year it was created... Probably before the relabeling of sevin products. The point I was trying to make was about the depluming mite, most people have never heard of it or how to treat it.

I know about depluming mites. It's best to cull birds that have them.

 

[Eggcessive]

I love this site! Thank you all for all of this information!!!

The worming concoction I used on all the hens and roos was something of a pumpkin soup. Fresh pumpkin (seeds and pulp), garlic, molasses, a small amount of plain, homemade yogurt (with cultures) , old fashioned oats, shredded carrot. That was 4 days ago. I did see, I think they're pin worms (?) in the poop the next day, dead. My Blue Orp hen has done much better today, active, eating, drinking, staying with her flock. Tail feathers up instead of down, as they were yesterday. They were all treated for possible coccidia last week---I don't have the bottle in front of me, but I believe it's Cotrin...or something like that. No signs of being sick if there was coccida present.

I did a complete physical on my hen, aka "Star" last evening. No parasites seen anywhere on her body. I examined inside her vent. What I found crawling on my rubber gloves was a tiny, but clearly visible cream/white thing, moving very rapidly, but didn't crawl on my arms or other body parts. I had about 6-8 on my gloves. They were moving too fast to be able to see how many legs they had. My assumption was mites---if not, what are they??? We treated the Blue Orp flock. Tomorrow I'll do my mixed flock, even though the the two flocks are still separated from each other.

I did get rid of all of the litter, disinfected the nexting box and the rest of the coop, including roosts, ladders, feeders, put ACV in the rabbit waterers. The coops get cleaned everyday, in one fashion or the other. I did a deep cleaning in September, and have kept up with the daily cleaning removing poop from all services, the deep litter is turned almost everyday. The poop trays under the roosts are cleaned everyday.

I am completely open to anything else I can do and very much appreciate all the help and education I can get. I have chickens for many years, but this is the first time I've had more than 8 (we grew to 15 this year), and my first time with my beautiful English Blue Orps that I love. Just have to get things fine-tuned and find out what made my hen feel so punk. One thing that really has me stumped, still, is the amount my hen was drinking last evening before it was time for bed, and she started doing the same thing as soon as she got out of sick bay this morning???

Sounds like lice. The first 2 pictures in this link show lice and eggs: http://anrcatalog.ucdavis.edu/pdf/8162.pdf