New to Group and Looking for Vet to Decrow

CIJ

In the Brooder
Jun 28, 2017
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SW Washington
Hello,

I'm a resident in SW Washington. We took in a small group of hens with accompanying rooster from a family looking to re-home their flock back in November. The previous owners hoped we could keep the flock together - they came to love their chickens but could no longer keep them and flock had been together for some time. We didn't want to split them up either (both my husband and I had experienced living on farms and know the nature of chickens). Within the flock is a brother & sister pair of black Austrolorps. Honestly, we didn't want to get a rooster but wanted to help this family and ease their worry. Admittedly, we took to the rooster easily; he is docile, friendly, and keeps the flock in check. His sister, who is smaller in size compared to the other hens(2 Americaunas, 1 Buff Orpington, and a Rhode Island Red), is always by his side and he is very protective of her. Her breed and her size normally puts her on the lower end of the pecking order so his presence is very effective and the flock is always together. We live on 1/4 of an acre and the flock free ranges during the day. The previous owners said that the hens had stopped laying eggs for some time but 4-6 weeks after we got them the hens began to lay again and now do so on a daily basis which helps us feel that they have adapted and are doing well.

So here is my dilemma; though we live just outside city limits and can legally keep roosters, we still have neighbors on all sides and we want to stay on good terms with them. We were told that the rooster didn't crow much but the change in environment may have proven a bit traumatic for him and now he is in the habit of crowing at 4:00 am, 25 -30 times in row, and repeating that routine once every hour throughout the morning and then starts up again in the later afternoon. We immediately got him a no-crow collar. The collar works, mostly, but it has to be on tight. Unfortunately, this doesn't allow the rooster to be able to keep his food down or swallow anything bigger than just chicken crumble, if that. The tightness of the collar, and it has to be tight to be effective, makes him gag and spit up. At first, we thought it might be sour crop but it did not smell at all and there is no problem when the collar is off. It just seems that the tightness of the collar makes him gag. He also tries to remove the collar by pecking at himself at the neck. He has managed to get the collar off a couple of times but mostly has just removed feathers and now has a bald area in front of his neck. The primary concern, though, is his health and weight - he began to get thin. So now I am putting his collar on at night before I go to bed and removing it in the morning after most folks are up. This way he can freely eat what he wants and keep his food down during the day and hopefully start gaining some weight back. I have learned how to put the collar on and off quickly and effectively. However, this process is always stressful for the rooster. At this point, it seems that the kindest thing to do, not just for our neighbors but for Victor (the rooster) as well, is to have him undergo surgical decrowing. I called a local vet and animal hospital to no avail. Since I live just across the river from Portland, OR, where urban farming and backyard chickens are very popular, I am hoping someone in this area can give me a lead to a vet willing and able to perform this surgery so Victor can continue living and stay with his flock and we can be good neighbors and get our sleep.

Thank you so much!
 
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I recall seeing on BYC, an advertisement for a vet that de-crows roosters & then sells them. I believe he wanted $ 200. for any he was selling. It probably was in the BYC Buy,sell,trade forum. It may have been a year or two ago.

I would think he would also de-crow birds that were brought to him -maybe :confused:

One of our good BYCer's -badly wanted to keep his rooster and had his vet de-crow him. I don't recall the particuliars- but, think the vet hadn't had any/much experience doing so and the rooster died.

You would want a vet with MUCH success in doing so. Even then there is the chance of losing the bird.
 
this subject is becoming near and dear to my heart. one day it dawned on me that virtually 50% of chickens hatched for back yard flocks were roosters and were put down. the number must be in the millions annually. it's just a fact that roosters are loud and that in the northwest in the height of summer they start crowing as early as 3:30 AM and that just can not be tolerated by neighbors. it is simply illegal in most places to have a rooster. it's such a common problem that in our neighborhood someone drove by and threw one out the window and for the next week or so the neighborhood was in a kerfuffle trying to figure out how to get rid of it. I am seriously considering spending the money on this procedure if I can find a vet to do it and offering the rooster up for coital visits. there simply is no better way to raise chicks than a broody hen with fertile eggs. I'm kind of done with shipped eggs, the last batch I paid $60 for on ebay and got 13 eggs, 9 hatched, 1 died, out of the 8, 6 were roosters and of the two hens one ended up being on the smaller side and got bumble foot and had to be put down. so basically I have a $60 lavender orpington, which kind of makes me laugh but seriously, that was a lot of money and work for one chicken. decrowing seems like a decent solution to a problem that is getting bigger as back yard chickens grow in popularity. Dr. James Richards, a vet in eastern OK in the link above, may just be one of the only vets in the US that does it. perhaps if there were enough of us he would fly out to WA state and perform the procedure on a bunch of roosters or train some vets to do it who are licensed here. from reading up on him and the procedure it really seems like a viable option with minimal casualties at this point. as for the humanity of the procedure, it sure beats the current procedure, which is chopping the head off completely! I found his web page with contact info. https://quietroosters.com/about/

I'm going to try and contact him and see if he knows of any vets here that do the procedure. I also know of a few exotic vets that often have leads on unusual things like this. I live just north of Seattle, anyone interested in finding someone locally, feel free to post here or contact me. lets find a better solution than a crow collar!
 
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Just sent Dr Richards an email: dear Dr Richards, I live in Shoreline WA, north of Seattle. I am wondering if you know of any vets in WA state that perform the decrowing procedure. the popularity of back yard chickens seems to be growing and the issue of not being able to find fertile eggs is a serious issue. the main cause of the infertility issue around here is that roosters are illegal and for a good reason, they start crowing incessently at 3:30 AM in the summer time! anyway, I have been thinking about this issue for years and now there are others who are interested in your procedure as well. can you help us? any chance we could talk? I am serious about this. you seem like one of the most knowledgable vets on the subject nation wide. perhaps we could help you set up a training seminar for Vets in our state? feel free to contact me by phone or email me.
kind regards,
George
 
Just sent Dr Richards an email: dear Dr Richards, I live in Shoreline WA, north of Seattle. I am wondering if you know of any vets in WA state that perform the decrowing procedure. the popularity of back yard chickens seems to be growing and the issue of not being able to find fertile eggs is a serious issue. the main cause of the infertility issue around here is that roosters are illegal and for a good reason, they start crowing incessently at 3:30 AM in the summer time! anyway, I have been thinking about this issue for years and now there are others who are interested in your procedure as well. can you help us? any chance we could talk? I am serious about this. you seem like one of the most knowledgable vets on the subject nation wide. perhaps we could help you set up a training seminar for Vets in our state? feel free to contact me by phone or email me.
kind regards,
George
Thank you for sending out the email. I hope you get a response. I will post any further information I am able to find on the matter. :)
 

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