please help, 30 chickens with coryza don't want to cull them

[chickadee101]

i have 30 CHICKENS WITH CORYZA! i want to know this: if i cure them, i know they will be carriers, is there any way to COMPLETELY kill off the coryza? these are all the chickens i have, and i can't afford to lose them because money, and because i have gotten attached to them. i have been using garlic a little, but tylan 50 mostly! it has been working GREAT and i have some almost cured! will it be contagious still if they are cured and just carriers? should i, just cull the flock?...

 

[realsis]

I believe they will be carriers I looked it up in my chicken health handbook and it said yes they will be carriers . however it also said you can vaccinate new birds brought into the flock against the disease. so if you cure the symptoms they can still infect a new bird UNLESS you vaccinate the new birds against it. I personally just vaccinated with the first round for corzya in my flock. its a two part vaccine given one month a part. you can buy it online and its given in the breast muscle. my flock is doing well thank God I was a little nervous about the vaccine but its a killed virus so its not supposed to make them ill.so you wouldn't have to cull just vaccinate new flock members. some might say cull but this is another alternative. its up to you. if you do cull you must disinfect and according to the health manual keep the space vacant for AT least 3 weeks. before introducing new birds ... Or just vaccinate the new arrivals. this must be a personal choice. if it were me I'd likely just vaccinate the new comers. hope this is helpful. good luck

 

[chickadee101]

thank you VERY much! one thing thougj, do you HAVE to do it with a shot, or can you just make them drink it by squirting in down their throat? sorry, it's just i don't think it would be safe to use a needle being that well, i'm not a pro!

but if i HAVE to use a shot, i most certainly will!

 

[realsis]

well its supposed to be a shot I believe it has to be inter muscle .I was really nervous about shooting them in the breast muscle too but I did it! I've given shots at the nape of neck so I was familiar with that but the breast was new to me also. here is what I did. feel for the keel bone go over from it about 3 inches into the muscle area not too close to the wing or keel take alcohol and dab the feathers this way they part and you can clearly see the breast. then come in with the needle having a partner hold down the wings and bird and slowly carefully inject into the muscle. I used a diabetic needle because its smaller then slowly inject. my birds didn't even make a peep not even my youngest
I have a lot of needles so I preloaded each one before hand and they all got a clean needle. it goes fast. trust me if I can do it anyone can! its much easier after the first bird. I had no reactions of the injection sites or anything thank God! but yes this shot had to go into the breast muscle. if you have anymore questions about it I'm happy to help.as I said I just did my first series.next month I'm doing it again.the last series. so hope this helps out.

 

[chickadee101]

well, i have NO choice but to do it q: 1. do they have to be biddies to get the shot? 2. how deep in do you put the needle?

it's just that i have never used a shot on a chicken and i feel that they will squirm and i will damage their insides...

no worries though! it doesn't have to be done now! just mid-april. also, can it be done to newborn chicks? please stay around to help! i have NEVER done this before!

 

[realsis]

nope you can give the shot to both male and female
what I did to prevent squirming was have my husband put the birds on his lap then act like he's petting them then have him hold the wings down I was really surprised they didn't squirm. the needle goes all they way in carefully and slowly. I used tiny diabetic needles if you can get a hold of some they are great! my other needles are so darn big.I'm a diabetic and if you can't find any yourself I could probably send you some. if its not illegal to do that? LoL... I'm not sure? but I know you can buy them online. go to b&d needles and I believe you can buy a box there.pay close attention to dose of needles I think diabetic needles are marked 3/4 CC each line. just check the ones you will buy. because the dose is 0.5 Ml per bird.if its easier just get a ML syringe. no conversion that way. it says for chickens as early as 3 weeks of age. I got the killed vaccine from first state vet. trust me on this YOU CAN DO IT! if I can ANYBODY can that's for sure! make sure they settle down and have each dose ready to roll. what I did was (now this is not they way your supposed to do it but...) I made sure and certain I didn't contaminate the vaccine and because its present mixed and ready I saved the bottle I'm the refrigerator for the second dose. your actually supposed to buy another bottle but; I'm going to try it. its pretty expensive so; well I figured I'd try it. NOTHING contaminated the bottle so I'm giving a try. at 58.00 a bottle that's not cheap so; and its not something you have to mix like Marek's vaccine. but like I said its not recommended to do it that way... I have one more vaccine I'd like to give and that's new castle. but I'm waiting cause that's really expensive! so I've given Marek's and coryza. well I hope I've answered you questions any more just ask I'm here for you!

 

[chickadee101]

thank you very much for your help! i wish you could do it for me!

since you sound so pro at doing it now! one thing though, did you mean that every time i give a shot to a chick, i have to throw the rest of the bottle away? i just understood. but really i can't even tell you how grateful i am for all of your help! but the final question i have, when is it too late to give chickens vaccinations?

 

[PandoraChick]

I believe they will be carriers I looked it up in my chicken health handbook and it said yes they will be carriers .

Hi, Can you tell me the name of this book? Also, what is Coryza?

Thank you so much.

 

[chickadee101]

coryza is an infectious lethal disease that if left untreated, is untreated. symptoms are:

Swollen Eyes
Bubbles in the corners of the eyes
Open mouth breathing
Pale face
Sneezing and coughing and gasping
Runny nose
Loss of appetite and not drinking water
Not laying eggs regularly as before
And the surefire last symptom that is a giveaway they have Infectious Coryza is a putrid smell coming from the nasal passages.
Once the chicken has this disease and is cured, that chicken never gets it again but they are still a carrier for life to give it to other chickens that have never had it.

[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]treatment can be water solubles such as sulmet, specific antibiotics for the disease as one would be baytril. but the most helpful is tylan 50, or tylan 200. 200 is more powerful, so be sure to get correct dosages for banties, medium, or large chickens. tylan 50/200 comes in 2 forms, water soluble and liquid injectable. i personally use the liquid form, but i simply remove the needle, and squirt it down their throat. it shows impressive results and in many cases completely cures the disease and sends it dormant. the disease can not be destroyed, any chickens that previously had infectious coryza will remain carriers until the end of their lives. it is an extremely serious disease that takes lots of time and work to make dormant, and it will still remain contagious to unvaccinated chickens. [/FONT]

 

[chickadee101]

this started as a hobby, but it isn't anymore! hobbies are things that interest you and you enjoy doing, i find no enjoyment in squirting liquids down their throat and putting needles in their breasts FOR 35 CHICKENS! IT WAS ENJOYABLE, WHEN I COULD JUST COLLECT EGGS AND TAKE CARE OF THEM AND TOSS GRASS AND SEEDS AND OLD BREAD TO THEM! NOW IT'S BASICALLY A WAR. MANY OF THEM WILL DIE IF NOT MOST OF THEM, AND THE ONES THAT DO LIVE WILL SUFFER WITH IT UNTIL THEY DIE! i REALLY did not want this when i simply bought some chickens from a person off of craigslist!