Ringneck genetics--offspring color?

[sparklechicken]

I know dove genetics is supposed to be quite difficult to figure out, but does anyone know what color possibilities there are in offspring if I cross a wild type with a tangerine? Is the tangerine color dominant or recessive? I also hear it's possible to get unexpected colors, like white, but I'm particularly interested in how tangerine color is passed on. I tried searching for this on google and I became very confused

 

[FireTigeris]

Wild types of most colors in most animals is dominant.

Which means if you do this cross all of them will carry tangerine genetics or one copy of whatever two different things make up tangerine but none will be tangerine.

This is just from other animals not specifically doves.

Can you post a link to what you read?

 

[Luthien]

Yes wild genetics are defiantly the stronger one which means the babies won't be tangerine but the babies offspring might. There is no sure way to tell what the babies color will be but your best chance at getting a tangerine baby is to mate 2 tangerine doves together, the gene is stronger that way.

Also be careful when mating a wild bird with a domestic bird, the wild bird will be stronger both physically and in the immune system so it could fight/kill your domestic bird through fights or sickness.

 

[shelleyd2008]

Tangerine (D+// Ta//) is both a co-dominant autosomal gene and a sex-link (carried on the Z) gene. Tangerine is also wild type (D+) with a tangerine (Ta) modifier. So if I'm understanding this correctly and your male is the Tangerine, you could have all or half the babies be tangerine depending on whether or not he is hetero or homozygous (hetero means he has 1 gene, homo means he has 2). If your female is the tangerine then only male babies will be tangerine and females will be wild type.

http://www.dovepage.com/species/domestic/Ringneck/color-chart.pdf

Currently, this page is down, but if they ever get it fixed you can go here and figure it out

 

[shelleyd2008]

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Okay, so after thinking on this a little more, here is what I've come up with.

If your wild is 'pure' for wild with no hidden genes AND your tangerine is 'pure' for tangerine with no hidden genes you could get offspring of only both colors. If the male is wild and the female is tangerine, the tangerine babies would be male. I believe all the males would be tangerine since the mother would pass the sex chromosome (Z) to all her sons and the gene for tangerine is carried on the Z (sex) chromosome. But I'm not 100% sure on this.

If the male is the tangerine, one of 2 things could happen. If the male is heterozygous for tangerine (only has 1 copy), he would pass it on to roughly 50% of his offspring. The offspring could be male or female. If the male (dad) is homozygous (has 2 copies) he would pass it on to all his offspring, thus making all the babies tangerine.

However, tangerine is a modifying gene, so if you have other hidden modifiers (like dilute/blond) you could get wild, tangerine, blond/fawn (wild dilute), or orange (tangerine dilute). Clear as mud, right?

ETA: And after reading this I see that I basically repeated what I typed last night. I guess I just understood it better

 

[sparklechicken]

Thanks so much for your help! I have a tangerine female and a wild type male, so if the wild type is the father I now know what to expect. I just couldn't stand the suspense of waiting till the babies feathered in to find out what they'd look like! It seems like I'll have better luck getting tangerines if I have a tangerine male...interesting. I'm not sure if the wild type is the father though, because the eggs were laid about a week after I bought the tangerine female from a large mixed aviary. So I could still have a few surprises (if the eggs hatch). They should be due to hatch after the 5th, so I'll post pictures if there are chicks!

 

[shelleyd2008]

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Your chances would increase with a tangerine male but with a tangerine female you'll know what sexes they are sooner. Usually you have to wait 6 months or more for the birds to 'show' you whether or not they are male, and an additional 2-3 months for them to 'show' you whether they are female. With a tangerine female only the male offspring will be tangerine. You could always mate one of the tangerine male babies back to the mother to get more tangerines of both sexes. Or you could buy my orange male (diluted tangerine) and use him instead

 

[Joyous51]

Hello!

I recently acquired three Tangerine MALES, and a Grey Ring-Neck (which I'm told is a female???) I haven't heard her coo yet, but the others are rather noisy! I would love to find a tangerine female, do you know of one that is under two years old??? Thanks so much!!!

JJ