Severe injury in pullet - HELP!

krista74

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Hi all, hubby and I were just dusting our chickens for lice - the second week of two treatments. We are not experienced chicken owners and last week catching and dusting the birds was difficult for us. None the less, we did catch and dust all of them, maybe not into all the nooks and crannies as a more experienced person would, but none-the-less they were all well coated.

Today (2nd treatment) hubby was a little more confident in the catching and holding department, which made my job (the duster) easier. I rubbed down each bird thoroughly, right into the corners under the wings.

The last bird frightened the heck out of me. Under her wing is a terrible injury. It must have been there a long time too but I didn't see it last time. Anyway, it looks like at the point where the wing joins the skin, there is a HUGE tear, about the size of two golf balls on the breast bone.

The wound is obviously old. It is not wet or weeping or bleeding at all. It does not look 'raw.' In fact, it looks fairly healed, very dry and black and crusted over around the edges. She eats, flaps her wings and lays an egg a day, no problems. She runs to me when she sees me and is one of our hardest to catch! We had no idea she was unwell.

The wound, when it's healed though, has not knitted together. It is like an open hole over her chest cavity. I can't see anything wet (like raw flesh) underneath it. It's all white inside, like a layer of fresh white skin, so maybe there is a thin coating of skin which has grown over to protect her organs etc. But the outer layer, whilst healed, is definitely open.

What do I do? I can only assume she has had this since we got her 2 months ago. I am so worried. Do I just let it go and assume she will be ok? She has obviously carried this injury a long time and it looks like the worst is over.

Does anyone have pictures of what a healed wound (a tear) could potentially look like?

I could try and catch her every day and clean it out, but I think this would be very distressing to this bird which appears to be coping ok. I am also hesitant to wet the wound considering it seems to be mostly healed.

Thoughts please?

Krista
 
Krista, such wounds are frequently caused by a rooster's toenails or spurs. As long as they do not become fly blown (infested with maggots) they generally heal quite well. I'm guessing you are having winter now, so flies may not be a problem. Such wounds do heal from the 'outside in'. You might want to apply some antibiotic ointment, but I'm not certain that is necessary at this point in the game.

Next time you need to dust your birds, do so at night. They are much easier to catch and it is less stressful (on them and you) to catch them as they are roosting. Good luck with both situations.
 
Thank you so much.

We have access to a spray here on our dairy farm called Debrisol - it says the following on the bottle:

Actions: "Enzyme wound spray. Clears away pus, dead and decaying tissue and promotes rapid healing of wounds; ulcers and abscesses with minimal scarring. The enzyme trypsin liquifies and removes nonliving tissue; it does not affect living tissue. Balsam peru provides a covering to help prevent recontamination. Castor oil has a soothing effect and is a solvent and vehicle for the other ingredients.

Indications: An aid in removing pus, dead and decaying tissue from wounds, ulcers, abscesses and to promote growth of healthy tissue with minimum scarring in dogs, horses, pigs and sheep. Effective against proud flesh."

I know the wound is old, but do you think this would be ok to use on her? It doesn't mention poultry specifically but we've used it on our cats before with no apparent issues!

Thanks so much for your help. I got such a fright when I found the injury, and feel so bad I didn't know she had it. Krista
 
It sounds as if that Debrisol should be effective in aiding healing. Such wounds are frequently missed due to location and the fact that they are covered by the wing. Missing such wounds happens frequently - not your fault.
 
That's a tough one. I would say since she is functioning normally that you might be best leaving it alone. The fact that is is under her wing may help protect the area. If you have a rooster that would mount her, that could be the biggest risk to the partially healed wound. It seems like her immune system prevented infection considering you did not see swelling, pus or signs of an abscess. So cleaning the exterior may not be that helpful.

Perhaps you could check the area on a weekly basis. Chickens tend to be easier to pick up when they go to roost at dusk. Or you could train her to tolerate being picked up by offering food rewards maybe.
 
Oops. I took a long time to formulate a response, so I did not see the previous posts before hitting reply. The Debrisol might help. It might help with that black crusty stuff that is probably necrotic tissue. As long as the spray does not have any pain reducing ingredients like benzocaine then hopefully it would be okay.
 
Thank you Sourland for your words of wisdom. I am quietly astonished that I never saw a sign of the injury. No blood, no puss, no smell, no limping or appearing injured. I am trained to look for this sort thing naturally on our dairy farm so she has done well to hide it from me. I also spend about 2 hours a day with my flock of 7, watching their behaviours, talking to them and getting to know them. If anyone was going to pick it up I thought I would have, but I guess it's the nature of the beast to hide such things.

Also, as you said, the position of the injury was such that you really had to be looking for it - it was tucked up right near the top of the wing. I even dusted there last week and didn't see it, but the wound would have to be quite old now judging by the state of healing it's in. If I could ask one more rookie question - do you think the 'hole' will knit/heal up in time, eventually closing over? I don't like the idea of an open hole in my chicken, and thank the stars above the other birds haven't spotted it yet!

Scratch'n'peck, thank you also for your advice. We do have a young cockerel who frequently mounts our 6 girls, and she was the favourite for a while as she was the first to start laying. There was a time where even I was thinking "For the love of all that is holy, George, give her a break!" He is now paying more attention to our 4 RIR's as they recently started laying, so maybe she will get a bit of a reprieve. George doesn't have spurs yet (just buds!) as he is still quite young (7 months or so) but he does have sharp claws. Come to think of it, you are probably right - the injury is in the exact place George will hang onto the girls when he's doing his thing :)

Hubby and I are planning on picking her up off the nest every couple of days and having a look at her. She tends to sit on her eggs for an hour after laying and will tolerate (just!) being picked up at that time. I might give the Debrisol a go in a day or two - I just want the excess dusting powder to shake off before I spray it - no need to fill the wound with 'paste.'

In some good news, there was no live lice on the girls today. There were some eggs on this particular hen but she was dusted a week ago so I guess they are hatched egg remnants rather than fresh eggs.

Thank you so much everyone. I love my chookies so much and really did get quite a fright today. Krista
 
We all like to see pictures of the injuries that are written about. It helps to see what you are talking about. The Debrisol sounds like a good product that could be used for wounds or even a prolapsed vent if there is necrotic tissue. I agree with Sourland about treating chickens at night just after they go to roost. I invested in a $12 headlamp, and it frees up both hands to dust or worm your chickens. Lice need to be dusted every 10 days until no eggs are seen. The coop also needs to be cleaned out and treated with permethrin spray to the coop and nest boxes. These two links have good pictures and suggestions:
http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/08/poultry-lice-and-mites-identification.html
http://anrcatalog.ucdavis.edu/pdf/8162.pdf
 
Hmmm...could the remaining eggs not just be 'stuck' in the feathers, and already 'dead?' She had quite a bad infestation.

My book indicated that the eggs would hatch 4-7 days after being laid, and then the lice had to mature to 10-15 days before they could lay eggs themselves. I dusted and killed off the live lice (almost immediately the birds stopped scratching), and then if the eggs hatch and I dust 9 days later, shouldn't they all be gone now?

Confusing :S Krista
 

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