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Speckled Sussex - Panting, Lethargic, Weird stance

Jul 14, 2022
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Hi! Hoping to someone may be able to offer some advice with what may be going on with our 8 month old Speckled Sussex hen, Brownie. And if not, any leads for a reputable online poultry veterinarian would certainly help as well.
Monday afternoon, I noticed she was acting strange after leaving the nesting box. She was breathing through her mouth, not a heavy pant like when she is hot, but more labored and slow. She was also walking very slowly in a weird stance (almost hunched over) with her wings slightly out. I felt her crop and it was a bit mushy, so thought she may have an upset stomach and gave her yogurt and scrambled eggs. She has access to grit and sand throughout the day, but I added an extra bowl to the coop just in case. She stayed this way overnight and stood on her roosting bar as opposed to sitting like normal.
Right before the sun came up on Tuesday, we checked her crop and it was empty and she had stopped the labored breathing and seemed to be back to her normal self throughout the morning.
I checked on her again around lunchtime, while she was in the yard foraging and she appeared to be ill again with the same symptoms (mouth open, lethargic, weird stance). She had not yet laid an egg, so I started to wonder if egg binding was to blame. I had doubts initially because she was still pooing and I thought she laid on Monday (we have 3 hens that lay the same color eggs so it’s hard for me to say with 100% certainty if one of them belonged to her). Her poo had been a bit different though with some normal poos and watery diarrhea in between. So I checked for egg binding after some guidance from YouTube and I believe I felt what could be an egg, it was hard and felt cylindrical, but being my first time doing this and having chickens in general, I’m not 100% sure what I felt. Either way, I’ve read egg binding can become life threatening super fast, so I started treating her asap to be safe. I gave her some Tums, olive oil around her vent and closed off the nesting box area with her and her bff in the hopes she would pass the egg in peace. By Tuesday evening there was still no egg, so we opted for the warm towel, massage and bath treatment. She pooed several times during this, however no egg was passed during this process. She seemed to be stressed so we dried her and put her back in the coop with her flock mates overnight. This morning she was back to her normal self again. Started the day with an empty crop, normal movement, tail up, no weird stance or panting and we had 2 brown eggs in the nesting box, so I was hopeful she had finally passed the egg and problem solved. That was until this afternoon when I found her outside with the same symptoms. I feel so bad for her and I’m not sure what else to try. I don’t have the resources right now to take her into a vet and I’m afraid the stress of the trip will do more harm than good, so I’m hoping someone may have some advice as to what we can try next or what could be going on.
Edit to add: she has been eating and drinking as normal
 

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Feel her abdomen for bloat or fluid.

The symptoms you describe sounds like she's having reproductive problems.
Could be internally laying or EYP. Just a guess on my part.
She's better one day, then not the next. This seems to run like a cycle of laying an egg, but no egg, so it's going somewhere, presumably into the abdomen.

I'd give her 1 Calcium Citrate with D3 once daily for a week in case she's struggling with a soft shelled egg. Keep her eating/drinking and stay on top of monitoring her crop to see that it's emptying. Some folks might give an antibiotic to help with infection and inflammation, but you don't report any leakage from the vent. Offer supportive care and see how it goes.

Getting a fecal float to see if worms are contributing to her symptoms is something to consider.
 
Any lice or mites? Check her around the vent area for them.
Check her crop again in the morning.
Is her abdomen bloated at all?
I checked and no lice, mites or bloating in her abdomen.
Could be internally laying or EYP. Just a guess on my part.
She's better one day, then not the next. This seems to run like a cycle of laying an egg, but no egg, so it's going somewhere, presumably into the abdomen.
I was wondering if it may have been EYP too. Last night she seemed to be very uncomfortable again. She stood the whole night, panting and passed what looked to be egg yolk.

Thankfully, I was finally able to find a vet to help and took her this am. They did X-rays and they found not only a massive egg, but also a washer! They believe some of her issues may be related to zinc poisoning and we started treatment for that this afternoon. So far not much improvement, but she is laying down finally so hopefully that means she’s ready to lay this egg and finally getting a bit of rest.

Thank you both so much for taking the time to respond!
 
I checked and no lice, mites or bloating in her abdomen.

I was wondering if it may have been EYP too. Last night she seemed to be very uncomfortable again. She stood the whole night, panting and passed what looked to be egg yolk.

Thankfully, I was finally able to find a vet to help and took her this am. They did X-rays and they found not only a massive egg, but also a washer! They believe some of her issues may be related to zinc poisoning and we started treatment for that this afternoon. So far not much improvement, but she is laying down finally so hopefully that means she’s ready to lay this egg and finally getting a bit of rest.

Thank you both so much for taking the time to respond!
Glad you found out what's wrong!
So she's egg bound and ate a washer, right?
I would get some calcium citrate +D3 and give her one tablet once a day until she expels the egg. You can also give her epsom salt baths.
 
I checked and no lice, mites or bloating in her abdomen.

I was wondering if it may have been EYP too. Last night she seemed to be very uncomfortable again. She stood the whole night, panting and passed what looked to be egg yolk.

Thankfully, I was finally able to find a vet to help and took her this am. They did X-rays and they found not only a massive egg, but also a washer! They believe some of her issues may be related to zinc poisoning and we started treatment for that this afternoon. So far not much improvement, but she is laying down finally so hopefully that means she’s ready to lay this egg and finally getting a bit of rest.

Thank you both so much for taking the time to respond!
Did the vet happen to share the image with you so you can view it? Some do.
If you have it, do you mind sharing it with us? Of course, black out any names/personal info.
It's always interesting to see these things. Was the massive egg in the oviduct or the abdomen?
What meds did the vet prescribe? I assume for the washer (Hardware Toxicity), is it a chelation therapy or something different?
What course of treatment(s) did the vet recommend? Any antibiotics to help with infection?

Sorry for all the questions, this is how we learn, especially if you have a vet that is knowledgeable about Poultry.
 
Glad you found out what's wrong!
So she's egg bound and ate a washer, right?
I would get some calcium citrate +D3 and give her one tablet once a day until she expels the egg. You can also give her epsom salt baths.

Me too! I just feel like an awful chicken mom because she was able to get ahold of a washer in the first place. We recently moved into a new home and the property required a ton of clean up, but I’m not letting the flock free range again until I’m able to do another pass with the metal sweeper.

The doctor didn’t necessarily say she was egg bound, just that she had an egg waiting. Maybe that’s the same thing though in this case? He didn’t seem as concerned with the egg as he was the washer. He thinks as soon as soon the meds start working to bind with the zinc she should pass the egg with no issue. Jury is still out on whether she will be able to pass the washer. Fingers crossed 🤞

I plan to give her a couple warm baths today with epsom, just not sure if it’s ok to give calcium with the other meds. I’ll call the vets office to confirm. Thank you again! 😊
 
Did the vet happen to share the image with you so you can view it?
Happy to share them!
Was the massive egg in the oviduct or the abdomen?
I believe it is in the oviduct. Doesn’t appear to be in the abdomen from the images, but I could be mistaken.
What meds did the vet prescribe? I assume for the washer (Hardware Toxicity), is it a chelation therapy or something different?
What course of treatment(s) did the vet recommend? Any antibiotics to help with infection?
Sharing the remarks from the vet so I don’t butcher any of the spelling lol.
“We saw Brownie for possible egg retention. Xrays revealed that she has an egg waiting to pass and that she has swallowed a metal washer. Because washers usually contain zinc, I suspect that her GI and reproductive tracts slowed down due to zinc toxicity. You have elected to treat her at home. Thus, we have started Brownie on tube feeding, DMSA (zinc binder), metoclopramide (speeds up GI motility and reduces nausea), and meloxicam for pain.”

I did ask about antibiotics, but he said there wasn’t any evidence of infection and wasn’t necessary at this time.
Sorry for all the questions, this is how we learn, especially if you have a vet that is knowledgeable about Poultry.

And absolutely no apologies needed for any questions- I appreciate all the feedback and I’m happy to share! I hope my experience can help someone else in the future. It means a lot to me that you both took the time to respond and offer helpful tips 😊
 

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Happy to share them!

I believe it is in the oviduct. Doesn’t appear to be in the abdomen from the images, but I could be mistaken.

Sharing the remarks from the vet so I don’t butcher any of the spelling lol.
“We saw Brownie for possible egg retention. Xrays revealed that she has an egg waiting to pass and that she has swallowed a metal washer. Because washers usually contain zinc, I suspect that her GI and reproductive tracts slowed down due to zinc toxicity. You have elected to treat her at home. Thus, we have started Brownie on tube feeding, DMSA (zinc binder), metoclopramide (speeds up GI motility and reduces nausea), and meloxicam for pain.”

I did ask about antibiotics, but he said there wasn’t any evidence of infection and wasn’t necessary at this time.


And absolutely no apologies needed for any questions- I appreciate all the feedback and I’m happy to share! I hope my experience can help someone else in the future. It means a lot to me that you both took the time to respond and offer helpful tips 😊
Thank you so much for the images and description.
It's wonderful that you had a vet that could see her.

Boy, that is a big egg! I hope she's able to pass it without any issues.

Toxicity from the washer is concerning though. I'm hoping she'll be able to somehow process and pass that on out too.

Please keep us posted on her progress.
 

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