This might be an odd questions but

I have WHAT in my yard? :

The upsaid of so many foreign countries owning so much of our country is that those countries are motivated to help us (or at least not hurt us) in keeping our economy afloat...


It's all in the toilet and the fighting amongst ourselves down here in the bowl is pulling the chain. Hold your breath!

GREAT!!!!!! Everyone, GRAB YOUR FLUSH BUDDIE and HOLD ON!! ..
.............. REMEMBER, ,,,,,, DON'T EAT THE CORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have WHAT in my yard? :

The upsaid of so many foreign countries owning so much of our country is that those countries are motivated to help us (or at least not hurt us) in keeping our economy afloat...


It's all in the toilet and the fighting amongst ourselves down here in the bowl is pulling the chain. Hold your breath!

That's not always the case, they are not looking out for us, they are looking out for themselves and the bottom line, plus, the whole world is hurting, not just America. I don't see how this could be seen as a good thing.​
 
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did they have mortgages like they do now back before the Great Depression? I know I could look this up. But the kid is driving me nuts today. And I get to take her to work with me tomorrow!! good times.. good times

No not at all - most of the mortgages we see today did not exist even in 1980. What happened is that mortgages became a security, an investment instrument just like stocks or bonds. Banks used to hold onto a mortgage for the entire length of the loan. What happens now is that every mortgage is resold virtually as soon as they are closed. A "mortgage backed security" is a bundle of mortgage loans that have been packaged together and sold from one party to another as an investment, generally between big institutional investors like pension funds and mutual funds.

The dirty little secret of this mess is that the ratings companies (Standard & Poor’s, Fitch Ratings and Moody’s) are very much to blame for what has happened. That is a story that has been vastly under reported.

Phyllis​
 
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Eh, have to disagree with that bit. The Russian Mafia/Vladimir Putin and cronies are having a blast running Gazprom, Communist China pretty much owns our behinds and our WalMarts, and Chavez's Venezuela is doing all right for $$$.

Unless you meant nations that redistribute money t'other ways, taking from the poor and giving to the rich? In which case I'd agree, capital and talent surely have flown the coop in Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Zaire, Liberia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Nicaragua, Sri Lanka...Stealing from the poor and giving to the rich leads to political instability, and there's nothing worse for an economy than rebels with RPGs and Kalashnikovs blowing up your factory and shooting out the tires on your Land Rover.
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It wasn't laws that caused this problem. It wasn't the peoples fault either. It's the appearance of a fatal flaw in the entire monetary system.

Most people don't really know how money is made or how it's value is determined. And it's value is based almost solely on debt and loans, which is how this crisis started and why this turn of economic turmoil is significant.

Lets say we want to start a bank and we got $10,000 to do so. The feds then say "ok, with $10,000 you are allowed to lend out $50,000." So now we loan out $50,000 and we have notes (iou''s from the loaners) for that $50,000 dollars, which we can now use a liquid assets and then return to the fed and say "hey we now have $50,000" and they'll say "Great now you can loan out $250,000". And the process then repeats itself over and over again. And yes the banks are basically making money out of thin air.

Remember awhile back when there were different kinds of banks. These different banks were allowed different loan mark up. Investment banks would be able to lend out perhaps 10 times the amount of assets that they held where as you neighborhood bank would only be allowed to lend say 4 times their assets. This was done purposely as a safety net for most people (middle class and lower). However in the 90's with the tech boom and the housing boom, the feds raised the amount for all banks to nearly the same line, so the safe banks and the investment banks could reap the rewards, and so now everyone was in on it.

Now because banks are making money by lending money it was in everyones best interest to keep it going. Soon they were financing everyone for anything. The market was going well and people were taking loans for risky investments in the various markets and real estate (flippers). The smart ones saw the bubble was going to burst and took all the money out of real estate and dropped it into oil (when the prices sky rocketed last year). Then finally everything dropped. And now the flippers and the investors started defaulting on their loans which basically took away all the assets that the bank had been using to secure further loans. Basically, the middle fell out of the structure.

No one and everyone is really at fault here. The problem is basically that there is no value in money period (most the civilized worlds money system is done the same way). The problem is the entire monetary system is all smoke and mirrors.

Theres a video called "money as debt" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279 explains the whole thing well in greater detail than I can here. But be forewarned, it's about 20 minutes long, but worth it, you never look at a dollar or a bank or a banker in the same way again.

And not to burst anyones bubble but things aren't looking like they're going to be getting any better anytime soon, in fact I'm certain it's going to get a lot worse. Personally I'd sink all my money into basic food commodities to weather this one out. Overseas ain't going to do you much good, because most of the countries in this world have the same system, and many are into it worse than we are.
 
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EXACTLY!!!

Fiat money driven by a federal reserve that is PRIVATE! That piece of green paper in your pocket is only as valuable as the person you are offering it to agrees to! Most of the world's currency is tacked onto ours and ours is based on nothing!!

I too am afraid this will get worse before it gets better.
 
I have WHAT in my yard? :

The upsaid of so many foreign countries owning so much of our country is that those countries are motivated to help us (or at least not hurt us) in keeping our economy afloat...


It's all in the toilet and the fighting amongst ourselves down here in the bowl is pulling the chain. Hold your breath!

Considering that the biggest stake holders in the US are the Saudis, Russians (the ones mostly likely to loan us the money for these bailouts) , and the Chinese I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They can destroy us without firing a weapon or even gathering an army. They can use the "system" to take us over or hurt us, one need not have bombs to destroy a country.

Much if not most of the first bailout was/is going to some of these big foreign investors that bought some of the bad debt unintentionally (they were lied to) in order to keep them satisfied so they don't pull all their assets out of the US which would be catastrophic. Nothing like reimbursing an oil baron or two to keep this country going eh...​
 

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