vent gleet treatment question

vonchick

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9 Years
Aug 6, 2010
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Madison, Florida
I've posted about Carmellita before, been dealing with one issue after another for a few months. She appears to thrive while receiving each treatment, then crashes when off the meds. I recently treated her with 5 days of safeguard and corid. She also received fontline plus for lice/mites. While on the meds she gained 1/4 lb and ate well. She received vinegar water and buttermilk the entire time.

Within two days of coming off the meds she crashed - stopped eating and drinking. The only way I found to get fluids in her was to run the hose - she has always loved to drink from the hose, and would take a few sips every hour or so. At that time she had no symptoms of what might be wrong. I had to go out of town and couldn't be here to run the hose for her every little while. When I got back she was standing hunched and fluffed up, with her eyes closed, excreting thick, stinky fluid and screaming when she did so. I figured that besides obvious dehydration, she probably had either a bacterial or yeast infection secondary to the parasites I'd been treating her for. Since all I had on hand was a tube of athletes foot cream, I treated her for yeast, putting some into her vent with an eyedropper. Within 8 hours she was nibbling plants! I got fluids into her by watering the plants she ate.

I've been treating her twice a day now for 5 days and she shows improvement each day. My question is, how long do I keep her on the athletes foot cream? I'm putting it in her vent, should I (can I?) also give it orally? I'm afraid to take her off because every time this hen stops a medication she crashes. Because we've been working with this bird for so long and all of our other birds appear to be very healthy, my husband brings up the possibility of an underlying disease like cancer, but I'm not ready to give up on her.

She spends nights in the house because it's still chilly outside, and days out with the flock. Outside she eats plants and bugs. When she's inside I've offered her a variety of foods - salmon, scrambled eggs and mealworms, but all she will eat when she's inside is brown rice and buttermilk. (she guzzles the buttermilk!) There is vinegar in her water. Her poops are very watery starvation poops. Aside from being very thin, she looks great now - very red comb, good sheen to her feathers, clear bright eyes.

I have supplies on order to do my own fecals - our vet has no interest in chickens.

I appreciate any advice.
 
I would get some nystatin to give her orally. You can use some OTC human treatments (vaginal yeast creams usually), but since you have gone to all this trouble why not just get the chicken version with complete dosing instructions?

http://www.firststatevetsupply.com/store2/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30090

If her issue is a systemic yeast infection then this should do the trick.

Good luck. Kudos to you for taking such good care of her.
 
I would start by getting some probiotics in her. Often that helps with vent gleet and she'll need them after all the meds.
I certainly wouldn't give her medication for athletes foot orally. The active ingredient is poison as the other ingredients may be.
That would certainly cure the vent gleet though.
 
I really think she may be getting too many medications, and not enough chicken feed. ACV can be an irritant if used in the water daily. She could be suffering from enteritis, and maybe having a fungal overgrowth from all of the meds. There are meds to give orally for fungal infections--Nystatin or Medistatin, Fluconazole or Canesoral, and others online. I would try her on just chicken feed (a good 20% all flock) with a small amount of buttermilk daily or Probios Powder in her water. Cut out all of the extras. A dog water fountain from a pet store may entice her to drink more. If you think she may have enteritis, you can treat her with Amoxicillin, Penicillin, or Tylan. Bacitracin can be used in the feed. I'm not a vet, nor have I treated a chicken for this, but here is some info on enteritis: http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/pou...verview_of_necrotic_enteritis_in_poultry.html
 
I really think she may be getting too many medications, and not enough chicken feed. ACV can be an irritant if used in the water daily. ... I would try her on just chicken feed (a good 20% all flock) with a small amount of buttermilk daily or Probios Powder in her water. Cut out all of the extras. A dog water fountain from a pet store may entice her to drink more. ...
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And make sure the buttermilk says it has live active cultures or it won't help.
Plain yogurt or kefir may be better alternatives.
 
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Thank you for your suggestions. At this point i don't know what to do.

Yesterday I replaced the vinegar water with fresh, removed the brown rice and and restricted her buttermilk (live culture). She always has chicken feed available, I haven't seen her eat any. When she went down for the night she had a full crop (forage from the yard, maybe layer feed from the pen, I don't know) for the first time in a long time. She clucked happily at the cats (they've become pals) and went to sleep. I was so happy because she looked good and it was obvious she was slowly recovering. This morning she got up soaked, she'd put out a large amount of water during the night and laid in it. She's back to standing hunched and fluffed up.

This has been the pattern for months now - initial dramatic improvement followed by a crash. It is as if she doesn't have enough strength or reserves turn the corner. I agree she's been getting too much medication, the 5 day safeguard/corid treatment was only given as a last ditch attempt at helping a dying bird. And she did very well with it for a while. I'm looking into the yeast medications mentioned, but whether mail order would arrive in time, I don't know. I'm still giving her a little bit of athletes foot cream in her vent. As to a bacterial infection, I treated her for an upper respiratory infection when she was a year old. At that time she had a look, a dullness, that she does not have now.
 
If she had a respiratory infection, then she is likely still ill. Most poultry respiratory illnesses render the sick bird a carrier for life of a chronic condition. You may want to look into having your flock tested.
 

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