The first one looks an awful lot like a Welsummer, but it just seems like the feathers on her back and wings are too light for the breed standard. She could be mixed with something else. Welsummers have single combs too, and it's hard to tell from the pic, but it looks like she may have a pea comb? I'll post pics of some of my Welsummers later and you can compare them. The second is most definitely not a Welsummer, but I have no idea what it could be. Looks to be a pullet, at least. Maybe EE.