What do you guys think?

[mshuntjump]

This is my basque pullet. I think she's a beauty. What do you guys think?

 

[NYREDS]

Without a doubt the nicest one I've ever seen.

 

[mshuntjump]

Without a doubt the nicest one I've ever seen.

Thank you. We got her and a cockerel from a nice line in Oklahoma. We will have eggs this summer. Let me know if you are interested.

 

[NYREDS]

Oh, forgot to add I've never seen one before & since there's no American Standard for them it's impossible to gauge the quality. Also no way to know if it came from a "nice line" since, again, there's no Standard for them.
ETA: No, I wouldn't be interested in eggs

 

[mshuntjump]

Wow, that's a little snippy.

 

[3riverschick]

Wow, that's a little snippy.

Hi,
I did a lot of in-depth research on EO's when I was thinking of breeding them. That said, breed to the standard of the country of origin. It is poosted on-line. This is such an interesting breed because it was actually developed by the Spanish government in the 1970's-80's. There is a lot of genetic research lit on this breed's development because of that. The Government pulled the landraces from the region together and melded them, creating the official EO. There are pics of those birds on-line. Breed to their type. Your bird has a lot of white on it. Perhaps you want to capitalize on it and breed the white EO? That would be good because you would only have one color making it easier for you to concentrate on type.
Right now your bird looks weedy. But it is also young. Time will tell. In this breed , especially, it is critical to read the breed history. Because even more than a history of breeder's efforts, it is a dialog of esteemed geneticists' formal efforts to successfully create a poultry breed under Government sponsorship.
Best Success with your birds,
Karen in western PA, USA

 

[3riverschick]

Surf : Spanish poultry Campo in Google.com Because 'Google Translate' is the best translator for the Basque language.
In fact, when you get the hits, there will be an icon to "Tanaslate this page" so you don't even need to import the URL to Google Translate.
Very cool, smile. One of the hits is a locked document about the history of Campo working with Spanish poultry breeds.
The EO isn't specifically mentioned but its a great read with good info.

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CONSERVATION OF GENETCIC DIVERSITY IN SPANISH ... - FAO

www.fao.org/ag/againfo/themes/en/infpd/.../3018_CAM1.DOC
File Format: Microsoft Word - Quick View
CONSERVATION OF GENETCIC DIVERSITY IN SPANISH CHICKEN: TWENTY FIVE YEARS OF A CONSERVATION PROGRAM (1975-2000). J.L. Campo

Best,
Karen

 

[3riverschick]

"The action of the sex linked barring gene
on Spanish chickens with gold plumage"
J. L. CAMPO F. OROZCO
Departamento de Genitica Cuantitativa y Mejora Animal
Instituto Nacional de Investigaciones Agrarias
Carretera de La Coruna Km. 7, Madrid (Espana)
Here is the English version of the study:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/d24973463n2214h1/fulltext.pdf Campo and Orozco worked together on study of genetics and preservation of Spanish Fowl. Campo was especially interested in the Basque fowl. From what I can gather, one of the Basque fowl was a very a rare color . The only other recorded poultry color which was the same was the Gold Barred Rock. Punnett and Pease wrote a paper on GBR in 1928. Excellent reading. http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jgenet/19/337.pdf Campo stated in his work that Euskal Oiloa carried Dominant White. From what I can gather from the P&P 1928 study, the GBR is Barred Buff Columbian built on a Dominant White base. I don't know if the Illiana (sp?) variety of Euskal Oiloa is the same as the bird Campo described. I need to find out from Lys if the persons who brought them back in Basqueland has revealed their genome.

 

[3riverschick]

been following Terry's expertise for some time now. We bred collies for 15 yrs. (1995-2009). Purpose-bred working dogs. This idea of training chickens in order to to learn to train dogs compassionately is exceptional. I had so wanted to go to one of the training camps. But I am in PA and she is in WA State. That's a long way to go, smile. I think EO's will be perfect for this program! I can't wait till my chicks get old enough so I can try it on them! What a blast!

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3 DVD set, "Poultry in Motion", Clicker Training Chickens; Terry Ryan. Total running time 5 hours 10 min.
It's a recorded seminar on clicker training chickens as a pathway to training dogs.
see http://www.tawzerdog.com/product/info/2 … cPath=4_76

 

[3riverschick]

Ok, I think I have finally figured out these colors. idf, please correct me if I am wrong!

1. Gorria is the base color for the breed. It is Black-Tailed Red like the New Hampshire. Then the plumage is tweaked to get the other 4 varieties in the breed.

2. Beltza is Gorria taken to the extreme. If one keeps adding Ml and rb to Black-Tailed Red, one gets the deep Rhode Island Red color. Keep adding ML and rb and eventually the whole bird is black(Beltza). ( Ml is Melonic; rb is recessive black)

3. Marraduna, is Gorria with barring (from the barring gene, not autosomal barring). Eoalak says a side effect is the chestnut hues are brightened. I think that's why I thought I was looking at a barred Black-Tailed Buff.... and not a barred Black-Tailed Red. That also explains the Mh in the Marraduna when I was expecting just Co/Co( to lighten and even out the buff hues).

4. Lepasoila : A Naked-Neck Gorria.

5. Zilarra : Take Gorria...change the red and brown areas to white and leave the black areas the same, viola!, Zilarra.
( same visual effect as Light Sussex)

6. Llodiana , at present, is not of the breed Esukal Oiloa.( sebastapol says Llodiana is a part of Euskal Oiloa, so maybe I am wrong?) It is a separate breed of Basque chicken. It is a barred eWh bird based on Gorria. The hen exists at the extreme lght end of the buff spectrum..very light buff with little, if any, black on the hen. ( a buff hen exhibiting the Co gene to the extent that black is almost or completely removed from the hen)
The cock looks like a Black-Tailed Red, except his stomach feathering is much lighter buff color. ( I was real disappointed to learn Llodian was not EO because I wanted to breed this color in EO's. But I will also have lot of fun breeding the other EO colors instead. The road goes ever, ever on....

So life is always creating new possibilities. I had wanted to breed BTB in Marans ( that didn't happen) which happens to be the same color as Gorria in EO's. So Now I can breed Gorria in all its varieties in EO's! Cool, huh!
Best Regards,
Karen
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According to that 1999 history of EO's on the basque webite (quoting), '
"Specific production as a result of the data products
generated two varieties:"
Color variety -- Principal function
Gorria .. .........mixed (eggs and meat)
Lepasoila... .....meat
Marraduna ..... eggs