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post #1311 of 2061
1/6/13 at 1:27pm

he looks good to me, face is about average for a blue male too. They just dont get jet black least I have yet to see one anywhere in the roosters. The hens do get pretty dark. But the face color on this blue male is about average for them.

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post #1312 of 2061
1/6/13 at 1:38pm

yes that is true for the most part. but the ones from James smith have the jet black faces even on the roosters. 

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post #1313 of 2061
1/6/13 at 4:04pm

Anyone in CT looking for "bantam" pair of blacks? I have a runty hen from shock lines(SQ) and a pet quality roo with a red face as a PAIR-25$ Just PM me if interested.

 

The site wont allow me to post in the selling forum. Keeps saying i can only have 1 classified but the only post I ever put up was like 9 months ago and its long gone now:(  

 

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post #1314 of 2061
1/6/13 at 9:21pm

You can get the black face in all birds.  My Black Sumatra's are indoors 100% of the time and I just do not tolerate a red face whatsoever.  I have gotten to the point that, even when raised indoors, the males I have in my breeding pens are all completely black faced.  So, just breed and cull hard and you can get there in any of the birds.

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post #1315 of 2061
1/6/13 at 11:13pm
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You can get the black face in all birds.  My Black Sumatra's are indoors 100% of the time and I just do not tolerate a red face whatsoever.  I have gotten to the point that, even when raised indoors, the males I have in my breeding pens are all completely black faced.  So, just breed and cull hard and you can get there in any of the birds.

 

Do you have any photos of your birds? Do you have Blues as well with dark faces?

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post #1316 of 2061
1/7/13 at 6:38am

The problem with culling all the ones with red faces is it could be the best one you have meaning by is's overall qualities, your other sumatras could have way more problems then the sumatra with the red face. If you look at the scale of points in the American Standard of Perfection the most points you can lose is the shape of the head and the tail. you can not knock down a bird with only one little problem.idunno.gif No one can make a perfect bird no matter how hard you try.     

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post #1317 of 2061
1/7/13 at 9:53am
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The problem with culling all the ones with red faces is it could be the best one you have meaning by is's overall qualities, your other sumatras could have way more problems then the sumatra with the red face. If you look at the scale of points in the American Standard of Perfection the most points you can lose is the shape of the head and the tail. you can not knock down a bird with only one little problem.idunno.gif No one can make a perfect bird no matter how hard you try.     

That's so true. 

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post #1318 of 2061
1/7/13 at 11:05am

Thanks I am so glad I am not the only one who thinks that. 


Edited by championsumatra - 1/7/13 at 11:10am
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post #1319 of 2061
1/7/13 at 2:23pm
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That's so true. 
I agree .
I have bred really dark face sumatras out of red face when only one of the parents was dark face.
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post #1320 of 2061
1/7/13 at 2:41pm
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The problem with culling all the ones with red faces is it could be the best one you have meaning by is's overall qualities, your other sumatras could have way more problems then the sumatra with the red face. If you look at the scale of points in the American Standard of Perfection the most points you can lose is the shape of the head and the tail. you can not knock down a bird with only one little problem.idunno.gif  No one can make a perfect bird no matter how hard you try.     
With years of breeding you will note that spending one or two generations on one thing can eliminate it completely. Then you don't have the issues of that problem and can focus on something else. It is a wise breeding tool, to not focus on too many traits at once. This does not mean forget type but not focus on for example: eye color, comb, spurs, face color, *perfect* tail angle, leg length, wing carriage... Etc) all in one year.
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-Sumatras: Large and Bantam Black                                                         -Australorps: Black (one White hen)
-Ko Shamo: Blue Wheaten                                                                        -Brahmas: Light Bantams
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