Japanese Quail Color Calculator- Best Link - Page 2

just thinking...

I think the one underlying commonality is the actual "color code", what they look like depends on what the code is, what we call them is the rub...

we should just call them what they are...

Wh+Wh+ Br+Br+ yw+ yw+ e+e+ pi+pi+

Wh+Wh+ Br+Br+ Yw yw+ e+e+ pi+pi+

Wh+Wh+ Br+Br+ Yw Yw e+e+ pi+pi+

red range Wh+Wh+ brbbrb Ywyw+ EE pi+pi+
Red breeds true including red range tux

from what I can gather...

scarlet does not breed true

true "scarlet" is actually scarlet (italian)

"scarlet" is SF for Yellow and SF for "tibetan" Wh+Wh+ brb brb Ywyw+ Ee+ pi+pi+

2 (SF) (heterozygous) makes for "split" pairs on two colors = many combos


scarlet= scarlet (italian) is a red range that is heterozygous for yellow (italian) where a "homozygous yellow (manchurian) red range" is actually a scarlet manchurian

scarlet manchurians
Wh+Wh+ brb brb YwYw Ee+ pi+pi+
Scarlet Manchurian
will breed truer than scarlet (italians) because they are homozygous on the yellow gene, no "split" pairs except the Ee+ gene. = less possible combos.

We have been pouring over scrolls from the ancients and we have taught ourselves. I have spoken with Robbie at JamesMarie farms numerous times, Tonya, MilleB, BFrancis, Mo, Shicken, Digger. we have put this together.

maybe doing it this way will help solve the mystery... it is simple math, nothing more, all "Heinz 57" colors have already been accounted for, there are no special recipes...

The Ancient's USA Coturnix Colormap revealed.


.................... Wildtype ..... ..... Heterozygous ..... ..... ..... Homozygous(recessive)
White Loci;... Wh+ Wh+= (wildtype)..... Wh+ wh (white split) ......... wh wh (white)
Brown Loci;... Br+ Br+=(wildtype) ..... ... Br+ brb (roux split) ........... brb brb (roux=diluted brown)
Yellow Loci;... yw+ yw+=(wildtype) ..... Yw yw+ (fawn split=Italian) ........ Yw Yw (manchurian)
Red Loci; ......e+ e+=(wildtype) ..... ... E e+ (tibetan SF= tibetan split) ..... E E (Tibetan)
Pied Loci;..... pi+ pi+=(wildtype) ..... . Pi pi+ (pied split= tuxedo) ........... Pi Pi (pied)


now you can pick one from each loci, and you can have a (wildtype)(roux)(italian)(tibetan split)(wildtype)= (scarlet italian) ta-da!

eta. thanks to the original developer of the color calculator. henk69

the rosetta carries the tibetan SF gene and italian gene, so yes when you cross it to the roux you get scarlets, you just dont have your starting colors pure... rosetta is a split bird...

Wh⁺Wh⁺ Br⁺Br⁺ Ywyw⁺ Ee⁺ pi⁺pi⁺
Rosetta

crossed with a Roux

Wh⁺Wh⁺ br^bbr^b yw⁺yw⁺ e⁺e⁺ pi⁺pi⁺
Roux

you do get scarlet, but only because you get the half italian and half tibetan from the rosetta

Wh⁺Wh⁺ br^bbr^b Ywyw⁺ Ee⁺ pi⁺pi⁺
Scarlet

because scarlet is homozygous roux, heterozygous fawn, and heterozygous tibetan

rosetta is heterozygous fawn and heterozygous tibetan and so is not a pure color and will not breed true.

its tough but not really rocket science, shingling a hip roof is just as hard. it took me awhile to learn all the friggin slang names people come up with for the secondary and tertiary "split" birds.

but think about it, someone should be able to tell you exactly what their birds color blueprint is? there are only so many combos of colors here in the US given what we have to work with.

I can tell you my 2nd generation Jumbo Brown (white split) birds are

Wh⁺wh Br⁺Br⁺ yw⁺yw⁺ e⁺e⁺ pi⁺pi⁺
Wildtype
split: White(wh)

so, in order to get what color you want, you only need to know what the Quail Color Recipe is...then for secondary colors cross birds that are homozygous for those traits. the secondary colors like "Rosetta", a bird that is wildtype on 3 of the 5 loci, you need to cross a Tibetan (homozygous EE) with a Manchurian (homozygous YwYw) all the birds will get one copy of the tibetan E gene from hen and 1 copy of fawn gene from cockbird. making them Ywyw+ at the yellow (italian) and Ee+ at the red (tibetan SF)

giving each bird heterozygous alleles on the red and yellow loci and wildtype on all others = rosetta, and more slang specifically a "italian rosetta"

rosettas or "scarlets" to italians again, birds heterozygous on several loci will pop out many different patterns. with the the manchurian being the truer cross and not spitting out any birds without the fawn gene (Yw), rosetta to italian leaves you a 25% chance the birds will have no fawn gene and be wildtype at the yellow loci (yw+yw+)

thats enough for today...