Brabanters and Spitzhaubens--The Differences PIC HEAVY!

[EweSheep]

For those who are not familiar with the breeds, there are some links about them.

BRABANTERS:
http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Brabanter
http://www.kippengrabbelton.be/koppenb.htm

SPITZHAUBENS:
http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Appenzeller_spitskuif

Yep they do come in all colors! Even they are distant cousins, the similarities are there but the two differences I see in both breeds are the beards and wattles.

When purchasing a ROOSTER from a breeder, look at the suggestions below.

If you get a Brabanter with wattles and beard, somewhere down the line it is a crossbred probably a Brabanter and Spitzhauben OR Spitzhauben and Polish cross.
If you get a Brabanter without beard and has wattles, it could be either a Golden Spitzhauben or a cross of Spitzhauben with Golden Polish.
If you get a Spitzhauben with beard, it would be a Brabanter or a cross.
If you get a Spitzhauben with beard AND wattles, same as first line.

Spitzhaubens were imported in the US about 1950's by Dr McGraw and he has sold chicks in limited quantities over the years until his death.

The Brabanters importation in the US is unknown at this time. However there were a few Canadian Brabanters but not very many. I think people later down the line mixed up the bloods of Spitzhaubens and crossed them with other breeds and worked from then on. It is a pity that hatcheries and unfocused breeders are greatly responsible for the mess. I am sure alot of us have alot of work to do to get back where they originally from. If it is all you have to work with, go for it and be prepared to cull HEAVILY and stick with the standards!

Other breeds:
http://www.kippengrabbelton.be/engels/

 

[PhoredaBurds]

I'm wanting to understand Brabanter colors. If I put a Gold roo over Cream hen I will end up with....?

Gold carrying cream gene or a split X% cream/ X% gold or just spattered messes?


I suspect it's gold with cream gene, if that is so, when I get to an F2 cross, off spring breed back to gold, would they remain gold or start to show less uniform coloration?

Thanks!

I think w cream brabanters it's the recessive cream gene working w gold (ig/ig). If that's the case, then a full cream (ig/ig) crossed with a gold split to cream (Ig/ig) will give you offspring with 50% chance of being cream and 50% chance of being gold split to cream.

There are a couple other ways to get that cream color. A rooster with silver split to gold sometimes shows it as cream coloration. Or the columbian gene can dilute gold. The Columbian gene will also push a spangle out to the edge of the feather, making a wide band lacing rather than tear drop shape.

 

[Brabanters1974]

They are so cute! How old are they now? Brabanters are on my wish list.

They are so cute! How old are they now? Brabanters are on my wish list.

Hi Tcottier, thank you for the nice words. Here are a few pictures I got last week, they are a little over 3 months old.

 

[Cattle dog Mom]

So funny you say this. I have the best farm dog. GPxlab. When I was overrun with coyotes and shopping for a second dog, I wanted one just like him. What I was finding was GPx herding dog. Poor dogs had to be so conflicted. I couldn't envision how you would approach it's training. Your experience is spot on how I expected the cross to mature.
My biggest concern about Brabanters is the lack of genetic diversity in US flocks. It will be interesting to see how this large group matures and if any faults are being eliminated. My dream flock would be one of the other colorations.

I wish the chamois brabanters were available in the US!

 

[allen wranch]

There is a thread (or some posts) somewhere on BYC about making chamois brabanters using chamois spitz and cream or gold brabanters. (I'm thinking that would be MUCH better/faster than using polish since spitz and brabanters have the same head floof type to start with.) I know nothing aobut polish "type" other than the have the huge head floof. Don;t know if it would be easier to get rid of the giant floof, OR the cream or gold color.

We Spitz breeders have worked for years to get the Polish poofy crest out of the Spitz genes.

I used to raise Gold Brabanters, and I worked on the same issue. It would be better to keep the Polish out of the equation and just work with Spitz/Brabanter cross to produce a nice chamois Brabanter.

 

[amazondoc]

Since you mentioned em --

A few months ago I dug up the German standard for brabanters. Here's the Babelfish translation of it -- not perfect, but better than nothing!

Notice that the wattles (Kehllappen) **should** be covered by the beard, but don't necessarily HAVE to be.


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Origin: Very old, already in 16. and 17. Century occurring,
Netherlands race.

General impression: Mittelgro& szliges, easily built, very mobile
chicken in the type of land chicken with somewhat put up attitude and
medium high position. The helmet hood and the three-divided beard are
the most remarkable characteristics.

Race characteristics cock:

Trunk: broadly; stretched; to the rear more narrowly becoming.

Neck: well centrallong; upright and easily curved carried; with full,
close, well Behang developed.

Back: centrallong; little dropping.

Shoulders: well rounded.

Wing: strongly developed rockers; lying close carried.

Saddle: with full, broad Behang.

Tail: relatively largely and plentifully develops; somewhat openly
and highly, however not right-angled carried; the main and
Nebensicheln long, broadly and curved.

Chest: fully; well rounded; somewhat forward and raised carried.

Belly: little develops.

Head: medium sized; broadly; with thickened scalp, on which the
helmet hood sits; without Protuberanz.

Face: from the beard almost covers.

Comb: from two round horns existing, which are directly before the
hood V-shaped arranged.

Kehllappen: hardly or only moderately develops; if possible of the
beard covers.

Ear disks: small; from sideburns covers.

Eyes: largely; lively; orange colored to red-brown.

Bill: centrallong; strongly; at the point curved; raised nostrils;
between them a hufeisenförmige recess with or without meat wart.

Bill color depending upon color impact following the run color.

Beard: feather-rich; strongly constricted, whereby a clear three-
divided beard formation develops. The chin beard covers the throat
perfectly. Sideburns are enough laterally to at eye level, without
obstructing the view.

Hood: upright standing, upward rather pointedly running out and
Helmhaube.Die the longest front hood feathers/springs appearing at
the sides squeezed together can be curved a little forward, which
should follow rear easily the neck line.

Thigh: well centrallong; befiedert tautly.

Runs: well centrallong; unbefiedert; broadly while stationary; Color
see under color impact.

Toes: centrallong; unbefiedert.

Plumage: tautly and firmly lying close.

Race characteristics hen: Up to the sex-conditioned differences the
cock resembling. In the trunk a little more compact, while stationary
somewhat more deeply and in the body attitude somewhat more
horizontally than the cock. Kehllappen completely of the beard covers.

Gross errors of race characteristics: Weak body; flatten chest; too
more deeply or to high conditions; flatten or to steep tail attitude;
to loose, broad, too short or spherical hood; weakly developed beard
plumage; missing three-division of the beard; from the outside
clearly visible Kehllappen with the hen; branched out or hardly
developed comb horns; strongly lowered wing attitude; brown-black eye
color.

Weights: * Cock: 1,9 - 2.5 kg * Hen: 1,2 - 2 kg

Breeding egg minimum weight: 52g Bowl color of the eggs: White.

Ring sizes: * Cock: 18 * Hen: 16

 

[psycoforsilkies]

Just wanted to Share A good bit of the Members of
The Appenzeller Spitzhauben Club that was Formed early this year has Many members actively Showing!

 

[houlahoula]

here is a pic of my 5 week old... pullet?

 

[Brabanters1974]

Liking how this one is filling out.

 

[Cattle dog Mom]

Anyone still have Brabanters? Or any new members with them?