CALIFORNIA The Whole State thread

[wolftracks]

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Welcome to the CALIFORNIA WHOLE STATE THREAD!!​

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Although California has a lot of Regional and Area threads, I felt that we all needed a place to get together as a whole. Hence, the Whole State Thread.



I try to help keep information available to all of our residents. There are several pages set up for information for all the BYCers located in our state. You will find links to more information by following this link to our California Whole State Member and Information page.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/california-thread-members-list-and-helpful-information


You will be added to the membership page, simply by posting on this thread.


To add information to the other pages, please follow instructions at the top of each page. Links are located at https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/california-thread-members-list-and-helpful-information


We hope you will join us here often and we look forward to your participation with information and just plain conversation.

I've listed all the Area and Regional threads to date. All others will be listed on the state page from now on.


REGIONAL & AREA THREADS

Bay Area

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=292725&p=1

California-Inland Empire

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=294033

Calif. N.Central Valley/Foothills

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=496481

Central Coast

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=563727

High Desert

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=446113
Northern Cal

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=25&p=1

NORTHERN California!

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=181167

California-Southern

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=161

San Diego County, CA R U There?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=55439

Hey San Diego! Lets Meetup!*
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=384942


Southern California Mountains Thread

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=546624

So.Cal here anyone else?

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=29886





I want to thank the following members. When this thread was first started, we were able to add to this post at will, but that changed and it became necessary to start the separate pages for this thread. The following list is the people who were there to help build this thread. They are listed in the order they first posted. I feel like since this was something that I wasn't sure was going to go over, I owe them all a lot for coming in and adding information and helping to get this whole thing started. All new members will be added to the members' page at https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/california-thread-members-list-and-helpful-information



Thank you all for your help, support and friendship!





BYC MEMBERS IN CALIFORNIA
In order of first posts for the first year!


@wolftracks - Modesto (Kim)
@SunnyDawn - Reno, Nevada
@Tank - Sierra NV Mtns
@birdmaniac3000 - los angeles
@NoseyChickens - North Edwards
@3dogs - Riverside county
@BONBON - Sacramento
@tigerrrrrrrlilly - San Diego
@BigDaddysMom - Paradise
@the Pollo Loco - Santa Cruz
@sherylreno - Reno, Nevada
@SunnyCalifornia - Escondido
gryeyes -El Dorado County
capayvalleychick - Guinda
RGBistro - Tustin
Desert Rooster - Hesperia
hcppam -Big Bear
pooh731 - Hanford
ChicksterJo - Lancaster
Sonic Pug - Central Coast
TGreenhut - Wilton
WhiteMountainsRanch - San Diego
PetRock - Antioch (Debi)
taylor2 - Turlock
HHandbasket - El Dorado county
Patricia Jane - Petaluma
Harris5 - Placer County
CowgirlJules - Atwater
oceanwidedesigns - Fresno County
Tressa27884 - Concord
jeremy - Oakland
Chooklet - Orinda
SD_Paulo - North County, San Diego
rarely bored - Central
UncleTommy - Sanger
mycutekitties - Modesto
newchickenfamily - Danville (Jennifer)
gaited horse - Fernley, NV
gamelife - Jackson
Cheryl Cohen - Lafayette
sewandgrow - Turlock
chickee - Gold Country
perchie.girl - San Diego
Happy Chooks - near Auburn
SunValleySeramas - Ramona
Rosecomb-Ryan - Sacramento
SOTO - Ontario
froggiesheins - Hacienda Heights
urbanfarmqueen - Los Angeles
ramirezframing - Fayetteville area NC
bigb-71 - north san juan
ronott1 - Woodland
SanJuanCapistranoRanchito - San Juan Capistrano
OCpeep - Orange County
lowry075 - Fullerton
Scovy Momma - Sacramento
ChickenStars -
MrsMoonCat - Madera
prescott2k -Dixon
Shanshan51 - Vacaville
fowlman01- Sonoma County
mendocinosunris - Hopland
JerseyGiantfolk
debs_flock - El Dorado County
Akpheng - Fresno
Jenjeran - Oakdale
flyfishingal - Central Valley
Stephanie1992 - Denaire/Turlock
Ohylime - Hacienda Hts
Pharm Girl - Oregon, but moving to California!
brewmonkey
Running8rima - Oak Hills
RandW - Dos Palos
Susg4332 - Ceres
liz9910 - Modesto
Moochie - North Edwards
Disco Hen - Sonoma
dgbchickens
DeesHens - Washington State
Tamtaminthebay - Peninsula, Bay Area,
WaterFowl209 - Turlock
fancyfritz - Madera
sbucciarel
sunnys flock
Wishing4Wings - Sonoma
lawatt - Sonoma
mommachickie12
Faith SL
Cooper12 - Placervile (Jason Floyd)
chiquita - San Jose
butrosbutrosgallusgallus - San Jose
Macro - Antelope Valley
Corona~Barb - Corona area
jbirds2012 - Paicines
mustangsaguaro - Kim - Morgan Hill/Gilroy Area
juststruttin - Novato - Deann
SalinasChicken - Salinas
BluesChicken - Bay Area - Dave
Chicken Tows - Sonoma



Now get in there and start making friends and don't forget to check our pages out through the links above.

Thanks!

Kim

 

[SunnyDawn]

Quote:
These are for my laying flock so I don't care if the eggs are diff colors. I love a rainbow egg basket. I would even like a pink layer (even though I usually hate pink myself) because my customers would love it! And hey, I'm not against all pink! I love a sunset with pink and a few pink flowers as well. And I like PinkChick, our fellow BYCer and marans breeder!

 

[wolftracks]

Our Facebook Group is having a meet up on April 28th @ Apollo Park in Lancaster Ca

Everyone is welcome

http://californiapoultrypeople.blogspot.com/2012/03/california-poultry-people-spring-meet.html

I added it to the first thread but forgot to add the link and now it won't let me do it. Remind me later if I forget.

 

[ronott1]

New report they just did.

Eatting 3 or more eggs a week can be as damaging as smoking cigarrettes, to your arteries.

Are you kinding me????

I guess I'm pushing it. I don't egg 3 plain eggs a week, but cook with them and yepppppp, I smoke.

In 50 years they'll say "oops! Ya should have been smoking, drinking and eatting 5 eggs a day. Sorry bout that."

OK I'm kidding and not trying to promote smoking a drinkin

Mods! LOl I'm just saying, we go through this kind of thing all the time. It's good, it's bad, it's good.

Here is a blog by Dr. Mercola about this Canadian Egg stusy:


By Dr. Mercola

Recently, news headlines were ablaze with startling information that eggs are nearly as bad for your arteries as cigarettes. After surveying more than 1,200 seniors, the researchers concluded that eating egg yolks on a regular basis is approximately two-thirds as bad as smoking with regards to the build-up of arterial plaque.
That's an incredible claim―especially once you know the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey used to say.
The rest of the story is this: the "study" is based on interviews of stroke patients and their recollection of egg intake and admission of smoking history.
The authors do acknowledge that the results are weak because they're dependent on the patients' self-reporting, memory, and honesty. They also say the finding that people with heart disease shouldn't consume eggs is just a hypothesis and should be tested further. That hasn't stopped the conventional media from running with it though, without any further scrutiny.​

Latest Attack on Eggs Fraught with Conflicts of Interest

First of all, the study was funded by the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Ontario, and the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Canada. Although these are two different entities, they use the same donors list in their annual reports, and they are both heavily funded by Big Pharma—to the tune of AT LEAST $7 million a year for heart and stroke recovery, and $4.4 million for the Research Center's Heart & Stroke Spark Together for Healthy Kids

project.
A number of "studies" that have come out of the Research Center support very aggressive drug treatment of stroke and heart attack patients, including this one, entitled "Treating Arteries Instead of Risk Factors," in which the authors actually advocate skipping the risk factors altogether and just aggressively treating with pharmaceuticals. The study says they:

"... ensured that patients with vascular disease were using an angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitor. For those not able to use angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors because of cough or angioedema, we ensured that they were using an angiotensin receptor blocker, unless they had contraindications to these classes of drugs."​

Next, let's look at the study authors. Two of the three researchers in question, have declared interests in statins. David Spence and Jean Davignon have received honoraria and speaker's fees from several pharmaceutical companies manufacturing lipid-lowering drugs. Now do you think the companies that make statins might have a vested interest in getting you to be afraid of eggs and cholesterol? Of course they do.
The third researcher, David Jenkins, helped create the vegan "Portfolio Diet," which only allows egg substitutes and then only sparingly.
So what's the bottom line when you look at who funded the study and who the authors were? They all have heavy involvement with, and funding from, pharmaceutical companies, so how can you expect anything but massive conflict of interest? With this background information you could EASILY predict the outcome of the study well before it even began.​

Shoddy Hypothesis Ignores Already Established Science

There is a major misconception that you must avoid foods like eggs and saturated fat to protect your heart. While it's true that fats from animal sources contain cholesterol, this is not necessarily something that will harm you. Cholesterol is in every cell in your body, where it helps to produce cell membranes, hormones, vitamin D and bile acids that help you to digest fat. Cholesterol also helps in the formation of memories and is vital for your neurological function.
Besides asking seniors to recollect their past egg consumption with any amount of accuracy, there are other major problems with this study. Mark Sisson posted a humorous and accurate take on it on his blog, stating:

"Those who ate the most eggs also smoked the most and were the most diabetic. To their credit, the authors tried to control for those factors, plus several others. Although they tried to control for sex, blood lipids, blood pressure, smoking, body weight index, and presence of diabetes, the study's authors didn't – couldn't – account for all potentially confounding variables. In their own words, 'more research should be done to take in possible confounders such as exercise and waist circumference.'
Hmm. 'Possible' confounders, eh?

• Exercise reduces inflammatory markers of atherosclerosis
• Exercise even reduces markers of atherosclerosis in pre-pubertal obese children!
• Exercise reduces thickness of the carotid arterial wall

It doesn't get much clearer than that. Exercise is a massively confounding variable that the authors failed to take into account.
What about waist circumference?

• A high waist circumference predicts atherosclerosis of the carotid artery.

Or how about stress, which also wasn't considered?

• Perceived daily psychological demands – the amount of crap you perceive to be heaped on your plate – are associated with progression of carotid arterial plaque.

Yeah, it's not like the size of a person's waist, whether or not they move of their own volition or sit in an easy chair all day, and how much stress they endure have any impact on their risk of developing atherosclerosis. Those things may be linked, and I'm sure the authors would have loved to include them in their analysis, but there just wasn't enough space on the questionnaire. Besides, it's not like a little physical activity and mediation could even undo the damage wrought by 4.68 sinful egg yolks per week. Why, that's nearly a half dozen!" [Emphasis mine]​

Study's Data Show Egg Consumption Actually Promotes Health

Another interesting analysis has been made by Ned Kock, who specializes in nonlinear variance-based structural equation modeling. Using a model to test for the "moderating effect," he demonstrates how the egg consumption data from the featured study actually shows that egg consumption promotes health.
By looking into the effect that the number of eggs consumed per week had on the association between LDL cholesterol and plaque formation, the data shows that the highest amount of plaque is associated with the lowest LDL cholesterol levels... This is interesting, to say the least, since egg yolks are "supposed to" raise your LDL (bad) cholesterol levels thereby causing plaque buildup.
He writes:

"What is happening here? Maybe egg consumption above a certain level shifts the size of the LDL particles from small to large, making them harmless. (Saturated fat consumption, in the context of a nutritious diet in lean individuals, seems to have a similar effect.) Maybe eggs contain nutrients that promote overall health, leading LDL particles to "behave" and do what they are supposed to do. Maybe it is a combination of these and other effects."​

Other Research has Found No Link Between Eggs and Heart Disease

One of the curious features of this study was the singling out of eggs without paying any attention to other foods. What about trans fat consumption, for example, which is now widely known to increase cardiovascular health risks? Or processed sugars and grains?
Additionally, while the subjects were reportedly asked about medications, drug use was not evaluated to see if there were any correlations between drugs and increased risk of arterial plaque build-up. After all, the subjects were all stroke patients, and are therefore likely to be on statins. Statins, we now know, are associated with an increased risk of diabetes, and heart disease is the number one killer of diabetics. So is the increased plaque build-up really caused by egg consumption, or is it related to drug-induced diabetes?
In a previous paper, the researchers even point out a study showing that participants who developed diabetes during the course of the study doubled their risk of heart disease with regular egg consumption, while egg consumption had no impact on heart disease risk in non-diabetics. Overall, the idea that eggs are unhealthy is a complete myth, one that's easily debunked if you look at the evidence.
For example, previous studies have found that:

• Consumption of more than 6 eggs per week does not increase the risk of stroke and ischemic stroke
• Eating two eggs a day does not adversely affect endothelial function (an aggregate measure of cardiac risk) in healthy adults, supporting the view that dietary cholesterol may be less detrimental to cardiovascular health than previously thought
• Proteins in cooked eggs are converted by gastrointestinal enzymes, producing peptides that act as ACE inhibitors (common prescription medications for lowering blood pressure)
• A survey of South Carolina adults found no correlation of blood cholesterol levels with "bad" dietary habits, such as use of red meat, animal fats, fried foods, butter, eggs, whole milk, bacon, sausage and cheese

 

[debs_flock]

Wow, it looks more OCD than I thought once I typed out the list...

 

[debs_flock]

Quote: Yes, I actually have a couple of new breeds coming to join my flock soon, but I thought I wouldn't even mention them yet.

Lately my mantra has been, "No new breeds, no new breeds!"

This all started because I wanted a few feed store chicks for eggs. They weren't here a month before I said, "I need show chickens!". My son showed poultry in 4H (about 15+ years ago) and I forgot how much I enjoyed having them. Then they became like potato chips, it's difficult to find breeds I don't like or don't think they have redeeming value, need help with their declining numbers or need a champion to get out just how amazing they are (like the Lakenvelders).

And my DH doesn't help, everytime I show him a picture of a new chicken, he says "I think you should get some". I think our addiction feeds each other. I've always said I hope one of us doesn't say "Let's get a pet wolverine", the other would say, "Let's get two".

Deb

 

[fowlman01]

I did an online interview with the Chicken Whisperer yesterday from the Heritage Expo in Santa Rosa.

http://blogtalk.vo.llnwd.net/o23/show/3/712/show_3712129.mp3

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

Cutting the primary wing feathers on ONE side will work and cause the bird no harm. Cut them about half way down the feather.

Walt

 

[capayvalleychick]

Hello from valley center (north San Diego county)

Hi! I grew up in North County, most of the time in Leucadia. I have family in Escondido and on one of the egg farms near Valley Center.

 

[ronott1]

Hello from valley center (north San Diego county)

It is great to have you here!

Do you have pictures to post?