Chickens for 10-20 years or more? Pull up a rockin' chair and lay some wisdom on us!

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I'll take a crack at this one and I encourage other OTs to do the same. When I decided to get into my own flocks of chickens, I had already seen the general ratio of chicken to space for most of my life from viewing grandma's or mother's coops, so this was a little less difficult for me than for someone who never had.

I can only put it like this...how do you know a dog house is big enough for your dog? It all depends on the size of the dog...if he has difficulty climbing into it comfortably and then seems cramped when he tries to lie down, you have obviously gotten the wrong size house.

If you have an existing coop, imagine how you want your birds to move around in its space if they have to be confined to it for any length of time. This will happen some time or other in their lives, so you really cannot count run or yard space as chicken space. Do they have different levels of existence in the coop or is it all mostly floor space ( Roosts, nest boxes, feed cans, etc.)? Place all the mentioned items in the coop if that is where they will be, add feeders and waterers and THEN re-evaluate your floor space.

Can you picture X amount of your adult-sized birds/breed being able to walk past each other freely, scratch in the litter without bumping off another chicken, line up to the feeder without too many having to wait their turn, or roosting and still being able to change positions freely on the roosts or jump up to the roost without bumping another bird off? If you can, then the space is probably adequate...then err on the side of caution.

I can tell you this...you can never have TOO much space, only too little. Don't get greedy and get a bunch of birds and just HOPE they fit into your coop....add a fair number and see how they exist. If you see obvious problems as the result of overcrowding, reduce and continue to monitor.

Everyone's style is different....I like my birds to have plenty of room but don't feel they need a football field. Comfortable chickens will not fight and fuss all day and will not pick each other's feathers for sport nor pick on any one flock member. If you cannot reasonably walk into your run or coop without tripping over the birds, you probably have too many. If you walk in and they can easily avoid you when you DO walk, then you probably have enough space.

IME, a coop should be high enough to walk into...I'd never have a coop so small that I couldn't inspect every corner or retrieve a bird in that corner with some level of ease. Coops should be easy to clean, big enough to be able to repair inside features and visualize any bird at any given time. If you simply must have the type of coop that is just designed for bird living only, I'd design a feature where a portion of that lifts away, levers up, slides apart to where it could be easily maintained. Chickens don't really care about height..although they do prefer to roost high.

Birds on a roost look comfortable to me if they have empty spaces to move into...if they have to drop down to reposition and then try to hit a very small roosting spot when they try to get back up, it creates a lot of tension and movement in the roosting flock that I don't like to see or hear. Jostling for position should only be due to pecking order and not necessarily because there is so little room that, if you don't grab some rail, you may sleep on the floor.

I hope that helps!
 
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In a way that's a bit unfair. For example-I have aquariums. It's relaxing, makes me feel good & give me peace of mind to do water changes on them. I do a lot of water changes. I feel good knowing the fish's water is clean/low in nitrates. Ok...same with my chickens. I don't have sand in their runs but I do like to make sure they're not stomping around in poop all day and sleeping in it at night. Some people LIKE to fuss around cleaning up after their chickens, it's a hobby. They like it for the relaxation and peace of mind it brings them. I don't see people bashing those of you who *don't scrape your poop boards and decorate your coops. To each their own. It's a matter of preference and personal priorities. As far as neighbors I could care less, but (once again) some people DO care.
Am I wrong in thinking of it this way?
 
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In a way that's a bit unfair. For example-I have aquariums. It's relaxing, makes me feel good & give me peace of mind to do water changes on them. I do a lot of water changes. I feel good knowing the fish's water is clean/low in nitrates. Ok...same with my chickens. I don't have sand in their runs but I do like to make sure they're not stomping around in poop all day and sleeping in it at night. Some people LIKE to fuss around cleaning up after their chickens, it's a hobby. They like it for the relaxation and peace of mind it brings them. I don't see people bashing those of you who *don't scrape your poop boards and decorate your coops. To each their own. It's a matter of preference and personal priorities. As far as neighbors I could care less, but (once again) some people DO care.
Am I wrong in thinking of it this way?

Nope...but you might have come to the wrong thread. The very first post states that, if you offend easily, it may not be the thread for you. Curmudgeonly farmers are not going to make you feel good about fussing around with chickens...there are other threads that will support that kind of chicken husbandry.

This thread supports chickens stomping around in their own turds because this is natural as paint to chickens...not a one of us keep unclean coops. But, neither do we track down the turds daily and make sure our chicken's feet never come in contact with them....actually, I use deep litter so that the chickens can actually recycle their own turds if they so wish. It's added proteins and a very natural process. It also keeps your chickens healthy as opposed to trying to eliminate that lovely culture in their coops.

This thread is, after all, down to earth advice on how to keep your chickens healthy and alive...for longer than one year. Think in terms of many, many years...that's where we're coming from.

Some people LIKE to fuss around cleaning up after their chickens, it's a hobby.

This is not the "chickens are hobbies thread"...this is about real chickens raised by real chicken farmers for utility purposes. Sorry...
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Well, the first coop I ever had I helped my dad build. I was 8 maybe. We went over and torn down coop for the church secretary. It was enormous, as her dad had been in the chicken business during the depression. We tore it apart carefully and re-used 90% of the wood. We poured a slab and built a 12x18 coup, typical slant roof, south facing. My dad took me up on the roof with a chalk line, tape measure and "laid it out", nailed off a row or two and said, "Already boy, take it from here". I shingled that roof off in a day or two, all by myself. What a memory.

Now, I have a barn. A chicken focused barn. 20x24 with two lofts with 12 bales of straw easily stored. I can have as many as six, 10x8 pens. I'd never have a coop that wasn't big enough to walk around in and actually function. The hardest thing here on BYC is dealing with isolated new chickens, or a broody, or raising new chicks and having no place to put them. I cannot in my wildest imagination fathom raising chicks, all the while "still waiting to get our coop built". Cart before the horse, Big Time!!!
This is NOT a shining example of proper planning and management and flock keeping requires these skills to some degree.

In my experience, having multiple pens, as to have grow out pens, or flock divisions is the only way to go. I'd have my barn, even if I only kept a half dozen hens.

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I cannot in my wildest imagination fathom raising chicks, all the while "still waiting to get our coop built". Cart before the horse, Big Time!!!
This is NOT a shining example of proper planning and management and flock keeping requires these skills to some degree.

Exactly!
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Chicken husbandry takes planning and aforethought...not, "Ooooooooo, look at the baby chicks!!!! I just gotta have some!!!!" I just cringe when I read posts about someone going to TSC and "look what followed me home" is somewhere in the post. Don't get me wrong...my batch of meaty chicks came from TSC. I went there to expressly see if they had any I could place under a broody hen....not went there for something else, saw the cutesy chicks, couldn't wait to get them home to watch "Friends" with me on the couch.

Good farming takes preparation and planning....anything else is just living by accident.​
 
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In a way that's a bit unfair. For example-I have aquariums. It's relaxing, makes me feel good & give me peace of mind to do water changes on them. I do a lot of water changes. I feel good knowing the fish's water is clean/low in nitrates. Ok...same with my chickens. I don't have sand in their runs but I do like to make sure they're not stomping around in poop all day and sleeping in it at night. Some people LIKE to fuss around cleaning up after their chickens, it's a hobby. They like it for the relaxation and peace of mind it brings them. I don't see people bashing those of you who *don't scrape your poop boards and decorate your coops. To each their own. It's a matter of preference and personal priorities. As far as neighbors I could care less, but (once again) some people DO care.
Am I wrong in thinking of it this way?

Nope...but you might have come to the wrong thread. The very first post states that, if you offend easily, it may not be the thread for you. Curmudgeonly farmers are not going to make you feel good about fussing around with chickens...there are other threads that will support that kind of chicken husbandry.

This thread supports chickens stomping around in their own turds because this is natural as paint to chickens...not a one of us keep unclean coops. But, neither do we track down the turds daily and make sure our chicken's feet never come in contact with them....actually, I use deep litter so that the chickens can actually recycle their own turds if they so wish. It's added proteins and a very natural process. It also keeps your chickens healthy as opposed to trying to eliminate that lovely culture in their coops.

This thread is, after all, down to earth advice on how to keep your chickens healthy and alive...for longer than one year. Think in terms of many, many years...that's where we're coming from.

Some people LIKE to fuss around cleaning up after their chickens, it's a hobby.

This is not the "chickens are hobbies thread"...this is about real chickens raised by real chicken farmers for utility purposes. Sorry...
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Thanks Beekissed, I'm too much of a Curmudgeon to explain my viewpoints in a Political Correct way. I am a utilitarian chicken owner.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=361951

And I'm not too good dealing with newbies:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=231195
 
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But the pictures of Fred's coops just now look just like mine. Why am I wrong? Because I don't eat mine?
I didn't say I was offended, I"m too old for that. I was just trying to understand. I'm sorry, I thought this was for old timer's tips and wisdom. I must have misunderstood.
I also saw a comment about someone being 'proud' because they didn't deworm their chickens all the years she owned them? I didn't realize you all condoned that either.
I'll unsub then, I was hoping for tips. Good luck everyone!
 
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Ksane, please don't unsub. Just let the gruff stuff roll off your back. As I understand this thread, old timers can be helpful, but old timers can and will also express stuff, sometimes in cruder ways, for what it is worth. It isn't a matter of condoning or not condoning. Merely it what it is. I am a fairly regular coop sweeper. But I'm not a daily pick-er-upper. BTW, I use a pitch fork, a tool not mentioned a whole lot on here.

Again, no need to worry about things. I hope you stick around and contribute.
 
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