Color genetics thread.

It's similar to how you describe roses, yes. S/s+ comes out as mostly silver with some golden leakage. A good example to look at are Silver and Golden Duckwings and Black Breasted Reds. Silver Duckwings are S/S. Golden Duckwings are S/s+. BBR are basically Red Duckwings (with red enhancers like Mh) and are s+/s+. If you look at photos of all the above mentioned you will see the differences.
Not quite. The first cross will yield barred buff - basically what people call lemon cuckoo*. The second will yield mostly lavender cuckoos but may yield some birds (particularly cockerel offspring) that more resemble isabel cuckoo depending on how much red leakage is present. Genetically speaking the only difference between isabel cuckoo and lavender cuckoo is that isabel is on a partridge base (i believe it's Partridge anyways) whereas lavender cuckoo is on a plain black base. The third cross will yield all cuckoo* offspring, some may have red leakage.

*The first and third crosses will yield cuckoo offspring however because only one parent is barred all males will be single barred and be darker than a pure cuckoo male of any sort. Pullets will however look the same as one from two cuckoo parents, as females can only ever be single barred.
So, the first thing to know is that the gene you're working with (Silver) is sex linked. This means you will get different results depending on which parent is the silver parent and which is the gold. Basics to know: males can have, at most, two copies of a gold or silver gene. Females, on the other hand, can only have one at the most. While cocks can pass these genes to their sons or daughters, hens can pass them only to their sons. Also, hens can't hide a color - they have just the one gene so they can only be either silver or gold but never split.

If your intital cross is gold cock x silver hen: you will receive 100% silver cockerels and 100% gold pullets. This is known as a red sex linked cross. The cockerels, as you pointed out, will technically be hiding gold; however gold doesn't hide as well as some recessive genes so I'd expect to see some at least some red or gold leakage in the wing bows and saddles of males.

On the other hand, if your initial cross is silver cock x gold hen: you will receive 100% silver offspring. Pullets will be pure silver, as they can have only the one copy of the gene. Cockerels will all be split to gold and likely have red leakage.

As for how to continue from there... that is up to you. Some good, universal advice is simply to breed what has the most of the best and the least of the worst. So any bird which is carrying at least one copy of silver and, more importantly, has the closest type to a good example of the breed you are creating the variety in. Either parent or sibling crosses would be fine for this provided the birds being bred are taking you in the directions of your goals. Some consider sibling crosses a bird more of a wild card but personally I would not worry about it.

Thank you! This is what I figured. I just didn't want to start without having some backup to what I thought. Thanks again!!!
 
I would like to learn more about trait transfers between 2 different sexed breeds. Color is one, but what features or progeny can you expect to transfer when crossbreeding. Which sex carries the most dominant features one could expect?
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I know I've seen the answer to this somewhere but can't find it on here. What is the percentage of chicks that will be laced/partially laced from a Silver laced rooster to a blue hen? I'm not worried about the color of the lacing, only they are laced. I'm having a problem finding SL Cochin hens so I'm wondering if I can use Blue. I also have paint, calico, mottled and birchen hens but thought they would definitely not work..
 
I would like to learn more about trait transfers between 2 different sexed breeds. Color is one, but what features or progeny can you expect to transfer when crossbreeding. Which sex carries the most dominant features one could expect?
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my understanding is this:

Inheritance from the Hen = Body type, Comb type, eggs size - form and shape /color too and body mass

Inheritance from the Rooster = Body color, eyes colors, eggs color, Barring gene and body mass


Perhaps someone with more knowledge can elaborate if need be.
 
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No, both parents give the offspring a copy of half of each pair of genes with the exception of sex linked genes.

The barring gene, for example is sex linked dominant. In avian genetics, the male is ZZ and the female is ZW, so the hen determines gender. The barring gene is located on the Z chromosome (making it sex linked).

So, take a barred hen. She will give a copy of the W to all daughters and the Z to sons. Since she is barred, and it is located on the Z chromosome, all her sons (since she is giving a copy of the chromosome to them) will be barred.

Try Punnett squares, they might help you understand better.
 
Ugh! I wish you guys wouldn't talk with letters. I have a herringbone barred rooster and a solid blue grey hen with black neck hackles. The eyes of the rooster are orange and both have large leg shanks. Hen and rooster body size is large. Rooster has white skin and the hen has yellow skin. So can I distinguish male color and female color at birth, or is it a 50-50 chance of either?
 
Ugh! I wish you guys wouldn't talk with letters. I have a herringbone barred rooster and a solid blue grey hen with black neck hackles. The eyes of the rooster are orange and both have large leg shanks. Hen and rooster body size is large. Rooster has white skin and the hen has yellow skin. So can I distinguish male color and female color at birth, or is it a 50-50 chance of either?

I have never heard of using skin color or eye color to distinguish males from females. You'll have to wait and see if someone else know more about that.

Since the male is barred and the females are blue (gray chickens are called blue), the offspring will all be barred. You will not be able to tell males from female at hatch.

If you want to get 'six link' chicks you need a barred hen and a solid color rooster. With that combination, the boys will have a dot on the head and the girls will not.

edit to add: learning the understand the letter language of genetics is like learning another language. It is confusing but if it is something you want to learn you can get the hang of it.
 
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Do these gold laced Polish x easter egger chicks show both gold and silver simultaneously because they are males and carry one copy of each gene (gold and silver)? Or is there a different explanation? They have gold on most of the body and silver on the chest and shoulders. The black Ameraucana in the first picture cannot be the mother because she is gold based.

Rooster


Suspected Mother, because she has silver in her hackles.


Chicks

 
Hi,

Does anyone know the genes for the Bresse's pure white color? White chickens just aren't my thing; they get dirty and they are mess. So I'd like to hybridize and hopefully get the full breasts, quick growth and early lay maturation into a colored chicken. Perhaps even an autosexxing.

Is the Bresse white dominant, white recessive? Does it carry the sex-linked silver gene? As I understand it, dominant white is leaky so it's often paired with the recessive or silver to get a perfectly white chicken.

I have a 2 month old cockerel that I bought to "taste test", but am considering letting him grow up and make some babies if he's got the genes I need for my project chicken.

Thanks!
 

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