yeah thats the problem... i have no where else to put them....Yes. Water won't kill germs, and without soap, hot water and scrubbing, it won't even remove bacteria. and if you have something like a mycoplasma in there it will live for up to three weeks even if you get rid of every bird. I use oxine currently, but it has to be ordered off the internet. Just plain ol' hot soapy water scrubbing, then spraying down with a 10% bleach solution will work just fine. Of course, your birds have to be somewhere else while you do that.