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[Lynzi777]

Here is my frosty doe from the last litter I'm keeping...

I'm wondering if its going to be "sable based" because of how light it is rather than black based.

 

[Bunnylady]

Here is my frosty doe from the last litter I'm keeping...



I'm wondering if its going to be "sable based" because of how light it is rather than black based.

I'm sure you've said, but I don't remember - what colors are the parents? If this rabbit has chestnut siblings, you've got a full color C. If you had a Chinchilla in the litter, you have a cchd. A Frosty can have either the Chin cchd or the shaded cchl, but it has to have the REW gene, c. That's 3 of the 4 "C" genes accounted for.

 

[Lynzi777]

She has two chestnut siblings, a chinchilla sibling, dad was a chin and mom was a harlequin. But I believe a sable point was one of the parents' parent. If that makes sense. That's why when I looked up the different shades of frosty's, I was curious if she could be a sable frosty?

 

[APDoxies]

We have a Fir (evergreen) Tree that is dropping it's cones. Are these safe for the rabbits? What about Pine Cones?

 

[Bunnylady]

She has two chestnut siblings, a chinchilla sibling, dad was a chin and mom was a harlequin. But I believe a sable point was one of the parents' parent. If that makes sense. That's why when I looked up the different shades of frosty's, I was curious if she could be a sable frosty?

If the sable point is the Chin's parent, then yes, it is possible. Sable point is like the self pattern version of Frosty - shaded (cchl) plus REW (c) at the C locus, and the non-extension genes at the E locus. Your harli doe is Cc (one full-color gene, one Ruby-eyed White gene). Your Chin buck could be cchdcchl (one chin gene, one shaded gene). The dark bands on the hair shafts on a good chinchilla look black, the light bands are nearly white. You can get a rabbit with the cchl "shaded" gene and the agouti pattern; it looks a lot like a chinchilla but is noticeably darker on the points than on the body, and the bands on the body hairs look more like dark brown than black. This is one of the reasons that people who "know" color discourage breeding a shaded anything to an agouti - you can get confusing and frustrating, non-showable colors!

 

[Lynzi777]

Ohhh ok I see. I'm assuming its not recommended to breed a frosty to much anything else other than a shaded color?

 

[Bunnylady]

A Frosty is an agouti color, so it should only be bred to agoutis. Frosty should be Chin (cchd) plus REW (c). That's not a problem with other agouti colors. The problem with breeding to shaded is that shaded is self-based rather than agouti based. You can wind up with a rabbit that has self genes and the chin gene. A self chin looks black, until you put it next to a real black, and it may have gray eyes. A good judge will at least mark it down for "poor color," any other eye color besides brown on a black rabbit is an automatic DQ.

 

[Lynzi777]

Oh well that's good then. I love the chinchillas and chestnuts. Love my chin buck. Would love to show him but I don't think he would do well. He's got a nice big round head, but he his body may not be the best. But I wouldn't be able to breed him back to this frosty that is his offspring would I?

 

[Lynzi777]

This is my chin buck, don't think I ever posted a pic of him on here. Love him, but I think he has too many DQ's to be shown.

 

[PoultryPower]

This is my chin buck, don't think I ever posted a pic of him on here. Love him, but I think he has too many DQ's to be shown.

He sure is cute! Does he have DQs or does he have faults?