High coop entrance that raccoons and rodents can't climb
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I found this post somewhat interesting , this was too
http://www.211-la.org/Disaster/Updates/Januarystormupdate9.pdf
http://www.211-la.org/Disaster/Updates/Januarystormupdate9.pdf
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I'm told that Station Fire was about five months ago, and was mostly to the west of here. I hike in the backwoods. There is one area that is recovering from a burn but it only seems to be about a narrow half-mile in size, compared to the area I hike in, or the big national forest beyond that.
I neglected to mention the bobcats, mountain lions, and bears. Here we have track housing and the houses are close together. Nearly all houses have front walls/fences that connect to the other houses' walls/fences. They would have to go through some other residences and streets, to get to this one.
I was concerned about the threat to humans that these animals might pose, if they are attracted to the smell of chickens. This site shows all these animals rarely attack humans although coyotes are by far the greatest threat:
http://www.laalmanac.com/environment/ev15c.htm
"There were 37 reported [coyote] attacks on humans in Los Angeles County between 1978 and 2003." None were fatal but some children were seriously injured and some probably would have died if they had not been rescued by adults.
"The only verified mountain lion attack (according to the California Department of Fish and Game) on a human in Los Angeles County was a non-fatal attack on a 27-year-old adult male on Mount Lowe in the San Gabriel Mountains in March 1995. Nevertheless, two cyclists were attacked in January 2004 by a mountain lion in a regional park in nearby Orange County, one fatally."
"Since 1980, the California Department of Fish and Game has recorded only 12 "bear attacks" statewide, two of which were in Los Angeles County"
I'm told that Station Fire was about five months ago, and was mostly to the west of here. I hike in the backwoods. There is one area that is recovering from a burn but it only seems to be about a narrow half-mile in size, compared to the area I hike in, or the big national forest beyond that.
I neglected to mention the bobcats, mountain lions, and bears. Here we have track housing and the houses are close together. Nearly all houses have front walls/fences that connect to the other houses' walls/fences. They would have to go through some other residences and streets, to get to this one.
I was concerned about the threat to humans that these animals might pose, if they are attracted to the smell of chickens. This site shows all these animals rarely attack humans although coyotes are by far the greatest threat:
http://www.laalmanac.com/environment/ev15c.htm
"There were 37 reported [coyote] attacks on humans in Los Angeles County between 1978 and 2003." None were fatal but some children were seriously injured and some probably would have died if they had not been rescued by adults.
"The only verified mountain lion attack (according to the California Department of Fish and Game) on a human in Los Angeles County was a non-fatal attack on a 27-year-old adult male on Mount Lowe in the San Gabriel Mountains in March 1995. Nevertheless, two cyclists were attacked in January 2004 by a mountain lion in a regional park in nearby Orange County, one fatally."
"Since 1980, the California Department of Fish and Game has recorded only 12 "bear attacks" statewide, two of which were in Los Angeles County"
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ranchhand (not nelgkel) :
Just build and test the blessed thing and come back to report on it in 6 months. Enough of the debating and baiting already.
I am not "debating". I am interviewing people who have more experience than I do. Because I question something doesn't imply I believe the opposite.
Call it "baiting" if you wish, I'm only politely requesting more information. If you find it tedious, don't read it.
The following quote was from another thread:
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I'm not making a coop with a landing pad or very high entrance. The plan I have now is for a coop that is about 3'10" at its highest point. If I will ever look into landing pads and climb-prevention barriers, it will be a long time from now. For now this is probably just a academic question that I will figure out, is not viable, when I have more experience with poultry. I still don't know if some breed of poultry (maybe turkeys) would fly this far and stay in the coop, but the only experienced people who seemed to think this was worth a try is Mark, and maybe someone else in the "Raccoon's can't jump" thread. That said, I am still interested if anyone can answer any of the questions that I asked.
Just build and test the blessed thing and come back to report on it in 6 months. Enough of the debating and baiting already.
I am not "debating". I am interviewing people who have more experience than I do. Because I question something doesn't imply I believe the opposite.
Call it "baiting" if you wish, I'm only politely requesting more information. If you find it tedious, don't read it.
The following quote was from another thread:
Quote:
I'm not making a coop with a landing pad or very high entrance. The plan I have now is for a coop that is about 3'10" at its highest point. If I will ever look into landing pads and climb-prevention barriers, it will be a long time from now. For now this is probably just a academic question that I will figure out, is not viable, when I have more experience with poultry. I still don't know if some breed of poultry (maybe turkeys) would fly this far and stay in the coop, but the only experienced people who seemed to think this was worth a try is Mark, and maybe someone else in the "Raccoon's can't jump" thread. That said, I am still interested if anyone can answer any of the questions that I asked.
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Perhaps this is a mute point assuming that none of these ideas would work, but I'm posting this just to show that it would have advantages over any traditional protection that I know of, thus it is worth investigation.
To explain the possible advantages of climb-prevention barrier (I'm abbreviating this CPB), I'll compare it to using an automatic coop door, or electric fence:
Advantages of CPB over automatic coop door:
The main advantage of a CPB over an automatic coop door, is that CPB would keep pests out of the coop, and provide a safe place for the poultry to fly to, at any time.
I don't think the wealthy neighbors around here are going to be happy with rats or mice. This is my biggest concern with chicken farming. I saw the ground squirrel again and I don't even have the purchased chicken food available outside yet. One neighbor told me he knew a lot of people who had chickens and they could never get rid of the rats. The most effective, humane, and elegant solution would be to separate the rodents from what they are attracted to. I'm sure they would be attracted to the chicken's food but maybe also their feces.
For free-range or a portable run, a CPB would provide at least some protection from animals who could dig under a wire fence or tear chickenwire. This could be dogs, coyotes, or raccoons (that are out during the day). There is a high probability that *all* the broody chickens or muscovies would be killed and that means I have to start over from chickens or very expensive muscovy ducklings (unless I find a local source). If they have a high place to fly, that predators can't climb or jump to, it seems to me they have a much better chance of survival.
Automatic coop doors require electricity and can fail if there is a power failure, unless they have a battery backup which adds to costs and possibly pollution (from batteries) and can fail as well. The owner may not notice that a timer is an hour late. Half of them look like they don't even have latches to hold them closed. A bird could get stuck outside the door, or in it.
Advantages of an automatic coop door or electric fence, over CPB:
May be used with heavier (meat) birds.
Advantages of CPB over an electric fence:
No risk of shorting out, which could cause fire, monetary loss, shock or electrocution of livestock or people.
Electric fence (for entire yard) may not be legal or practical (in suburban areas or under telephone/power lines).
Cost, setup: CPB would only be required to surround the bottom of the entryway instead of the whole yard or run. No operating cost.
No risk of shock or electrocution of livestock or people.
Doesn't require electricity, although some electric fences are powered by solar panels.
Advantages of an electric fence over CPB:
Protects the whole run or the whole yard.
Likely to be better protection during the day.
Perhaps this is a mute point assuming that none of these ideas would work, but I'm posting this just to show that it would have advantages over any traditional protection that I know of, thus it is worth investigation.
To explain the possible advantages of climb-prevention barrier (I'm abbreviating this CPB), I'll compare it to using an automatic coop door, or electric fence:
Advantages of CPB over automatic coop door:
The main advantage of a CPB over an automatic coop door, is that CPB would keep pests out of the coop, and provide a safe place for the poultry to fly to, at any time.
I don't think the wealthy neighbors around here are going to be happy with rats or mice. This is my biggest concern with chicken farming. I saw the ground squirrel again and I don't even have the purchased chicken food available outside yet. One neighbor told me he knew a lot of people who had chickens and they could never get rid of the rats. The most effective, humane, and elegant solution would be to separate the rodents from what they are attracted to. I'm sure they would be attracted to the chicken's food but maybe also their feces.
For free-range or a portable run, a CPB would provide at least some protection from animals who could dig under a wire fence or tear chickenwire. This could be dogs, coyotes, or raccoons (that are out during the day). There is a high probability that *all* the broody chickens or muscovies would be killed and that means I have to start over from chickens or very expensive muscovy ducklings (unless I find a local source). If they have a high place to fly, that predators can't climb or jump to, it seems to me they have a much better chance of survival.
Automatic coop doors require electricity and can fail if there is a power failure, unless they have a battery backup which adds to costs and possibly pollution (from batteries) and can fail as well. The owner may not notice that a timer is an hour late. Half of them look like they don't even have latches to hold them closed. A bird could get stuck outside the door, or in it.
Advantages of an automatic coop door or electric fence, over CPB:
May be used with heavier (meat) birds.
Advantages of CPB over an electric fence:
No risk of shorting out, which could cause fire, monetary loss, shock or electrocution of livestock or people.
Electric fence (for entire yard) may not be legal or practical (in suburban areas or under telephone/power lines).
Cost, setup: CPB would only be required to surround the bottom of the entryway instead of the whole yard or run. No operating cost.
No risk of shock or electrocution of livestock or people.
Doesn't require electricity, although some electric fences are powered by solar panels.
Advantages of an electric fence over CPB:
Protects the whole run or the whole yard.
Likely to be better protection during the day.
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Huh? This is most definitely a troll. Moderator! It's wasting my bandwidth when it notifies me of a new post.
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I'm told that Station Fire was about five months ago, and was mostly to the west of here. I hike in the backwoods. There is one area that is recovering from a burn but it only seems to be about a narrow half-mile in size, compared to the area I hike in, or the big national forest beyond that.
I neglected to mention the bobcats, mountain lions, and bears. Here we have track housing and the houses are close together. Nearly all houses have front walls/fences that connect to the other houses' walls/fences. They would have to go through some other residences and streets, to get to this one.
I was concerned about the threat to humans that these animals might pose, if they are attracted to the smell of chickens. This site shows all these animals rarely attack humans although coyotes are by far the greatest threat:
http://www.laalmanac.com/environment/ev15c.htm
"There were 37 reported [coyote] attacks on humans in Los Angeles County between 1978 and 2003." None were fatal but some children were seriously injured and some probably would have died if they had not been rescued by adults.
"The only verified mountain lion attack (according to the California Department of Fish and Game) on a human in Los Angeles County was a non-fatal attack on a 27-year-old adult male on Mount Lowe in the San Gabriel Mountains in March 1995. Nevertheless, two cyclists were attacked in January 2004 by a mountain lion in a regional park in nearby Orange County, one fatally."
"Since 1980, the California Department of Fish and Game has recorded only 12 "bear attacks" statewide, two of which were in Los Angeles County"
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I'm told that Station Fire was about five months ago, and was mostly to the west of here. I hike in the backwoods. There is one area that is recovering from a burn but it only seems to be about a narrow half-mile in size, compared to the area I hike in, or the big national forest beyond that.
I neglected to mention the bobcats, mountain lions, and bears. Here we have track housing and the houses are close together. Nearly all houses have front walls/fences that connect to the other houses' walls/fences. They would have to go through some other residences and streets, to get to this one.
I was concerned about the threat to humans that these animals might pose, if they are attracted to the smell of chickens. This site shows all these animals rarely attack humans although coyotes are by far the greatest threat:
http://www.laalmanac.com/environment/ev15c.htm
"There were 37 reported [coyote] attacks on humans in Los Angeles County between 1978 and 2003." None were fatal but some children were seriously injured and some probably would have died if they had not been rescued by adults.
"The only verified mountain lion attack (according to the California Department of Fish and Game) on a human in Los Angeles County was a non-fatal attack on a 27-year-old adult male on Mount Lowe in the San Gabriel Mountains in March 1995. Nevertheless, two cyclists were attacked in January 2004 by a mountain lion in a regional park in nearby Orange County, one fatally."
"Since 1980, the California Department of Fish and Game has recorded only 12 "bear attacks" statewide, two of which were in Los Angeles County"
Oh, no, Katy! Now you're a child abuser.
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If this is how you bully your kids for asking a perfectly legitimate question, I pity them... and you.
Perhaps you would like to amend your statement that "raccoons can get anywhere", to say that raccoons can get anywhere that a chicken can get.
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If this is how you bully your kids for asking a perfectly legitimate question, I pity them... and you.
Perhaps you would like to amend your statement that "raccoons can get anywhere", to say that raccoons can get anywhere that a chicken can get.
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If this is how you bully your kids for asking a perfectly legitimate question, I pity them... and you.
Perhaps you would like to amend your statement that "raccoons can get anywhere", to say that raccoons can get anywhere that a chicken can get.
LOL Well, at this point in my life it would have to be grandchildren since mine are all grown.
I agree he/she is a troll.
If this is how you bully your kids for asking a perfectly legitimate question, I pity them... and you.
Perhaps you would like to amend your statement that "raccoons can get anywhere", to say that raccoons can get anywhere that a chicken can get.
LOL Well, at this point in my life it would have to be grandchildren since mine are all grown.
I agree he/she is a troll.
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I am not "debating". I am interviewing people who have more experience than I do. Because I question something doesn't imply I believe the opposite.
Call it "baiting" if you wish, I'm only politely requesting more information. If you find it tedious, don't read it.
The following quote was from another thread:
Quote:
I'm not making a coop with a landing pad or very high entrance. The plan I have now is for a coop that is about 3'10" at its highest point. If I will ever look into landing pads and climb-prevention barriers, it will be a long time from now. For now this is probably just a academic question that I will figure out, is not viable, when I have more experience with poultry. I still don't know if some breed of poultry (maybe turkeys) would fly this far and stay in the coop, but the only experienced people who seemed to think this was worth a try is Mark, and maybe someone else in the "Raccoon's can't jump" thread. That said, I am still interested if anyone can answer any of the questions that I asked.
nelgkel
05/14/2010 4:10 pmranchhand wrote:
Just build and test the blessed thing and come back to report on it in 6 months. Enough of the debating and baiting already.
that would be the sensible thing to do!!
WHEN YOU QUOTE SOMEONE MAKE SURE IT IS THEIR QUOTE!!!! I DID NOT SAY THAT ! I ONLY AGREED WITH IT! I am all for looking for more information!! But after research and interviewing others for more info we just have to DO IT!! I think your idea is interesting...but we all want to see how it works because it seems no one else has done it!
I am not "debating". I am interviewing people who have more experience than I do. Because I question something doesn't imply I believe the opposite.
Call it "baiting" if you wish, I'm only politely requesting more information. If you find it tedious, don't read it.
The following quote was from another thread:
Quote:
I'm not making a coop with a landing pad or very high entrance. The plan I have now is for a coop that is about 3'10" at its highest point. If I will ever look into landing pads and climb-prevention barriers, it will be a long time from now. For now this is probably just a academic question that I will figure out, is not viable, when I have more experience with poultry. I still don't know if some breed of poultry (maybe turkeys) would fly this far and stay in the coop, but the only experienced people who seemed to think this was worth a try is Mark, and maybe someone else in the "Raccoon's can't jump" thread. That said, I am still interested if anyone can answer any of the questions that I asked.
nelgkel
05/14/2010 4:10 pmranchhand wrote:
Just build and test the blessed thing and come back to report on it in 6 months. Enough of the debating and baiting already.
that would be the sensible thing to do!!
WHEN YOU QUOTE SOMEONE MAKE SURE IT IS THEIR QUOTE!!!! I DID NOT SAY THAT ! I ONLY AGREED WITH IT! I am all for looking for more information!! But after research and interviewing others for more info we just have to DO IT!! I think your idea is interesting...but we all want to see how it works because it seems no one else has done it!
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