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That is also what some breeders are doing in some countries. The introduction of Russian bred Black Coppers, after the Germans had eaten nearly all French poultry in World War 2, was a disaster for egg colour. It took many years to eliminate the problem.

White feathers can be genetic in origin, or due to a damaged feather follicle. A plucked white feather often re grows the correct colour; or appears after a moult where there were previously none.

In my personal experience, from experiments I have done in the inheritance of the dark brown egg colour, it has taken at least 5 to 6 generations back crossed to the original breed (Marans) to obtain the required colour.

Re the "cotton tail" this is a common fault in most breeds. Mostly due to hormonal levels in the males, part of normal morphology. As I said Standards describe the IDEAL or Perfect bird which is not necessarily achievable. I personally would not be over concerned about it.
David

Hi David,
5 to 6 generations in chicken years isn't very long IMO. The solution is to gather together 6-12+ dedicated breeders to work together to eliminate defects, cotton tail or short toes for example. Which requires a willingness to exchange eggs, chicks or mature birds.
So what do we give roosters to lower their hormonal levels;)
Joe
 
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technically it is a Marans, and Genetically it is a Marans, it may not be Considered a Marans though
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You apparently have different ideas in Canada. If you breed a Marans to any breed other than a Marans , you have a cross breed chicken. It would be a mix breed and that is what already is wrong with the Marans in the USA already, Mix breed junk. Don

No i am just talking about the Egg colour Part of it...
 
so nice to know there is no reason to cull all the roosters and not to be to over concerned ,and thats why i hope its a cut and not dq in the eyes of the APA who i am happy to be a member of ,,, so i wonder ,,, with 3 faults in wheaten marans to pick from ,cotton fluff, comb and egg color what would be the hardest to correct i would have to say or guess fluff ..
ps my wheatens are getting some nice egg color(i think improved ) and i hope to post some pice if the camera works also i thought the parrent stock was P generation and each generation after is f1, f2, f3, anyway my stock from breeders .babys babys or as i think its said f2 improved color .... so how do ya say it ?
i think sleep lol but its saturday night




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That is also what some breeders are doing in some countries. The introduction of Russian bred Black Coppers, after the Germans had eaten nearly all French poultry in World War 2, was a disaster for egg colour. It took many years to eliminate the problem.

White feathers can be genetic in origin, or due to a damaged feather follicle. A plucked white feather often re grows the correct colour; or appears after a moult where there were previously none.

In my personal experience, from experiments I have done in the inheritance of the dark brown egg colour, it has taken at least 5 to 6 generations back crossed to the original breed (Marans) to obtain the required colour.

Re the "cotton tail" this is a common fault in most breeds. Mostly due to hormonal levels in the males, part of normal morphology. As I said Standards describe the IDEAL or Perfect bird which is not necessarily achievable. I personally would not be over concerned about it.
David

Thank you David!!!!! Always a pleasure to read your posts. Thank you for sharing your experiences and expertise.
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for me each generation takes 9 months or more and the goverment or someone just said the exspected life span for a male is 72 and i am 50 now thats around 30 chicken generations to live lol i might not breed chickens lol ,, and take up bonzi
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That is also what some breeders are doing in some countries. The introduction of Russian bred Black Coppers, after the Germans had eaten nearly all French poultry in World War 2, was a disaster for egg colour. It took many years to eliminate the problem.

White feathers can be genetic in origin, or due to a damaged feather follicle. A plucked white feather often re grows the correct colour; or appears after a moult where there were previously none.

In my personal experience, from experiments I have done in the inheritance of the dark brown egg colour, it has taken at least 5 to 6 generations back crossed to the original breed (Marans) to obtain the required colour.

Re the "cotton tail" this is a common fault in most breeds. Mostly due to hormonal levels in the males, part of normal morphology. As I said Standards describe the IDEAL or Perfect bird which is not necessarily achievable. I personally would not be over concerned about it.
David

Hi David,
5 to 6 generations in chicken years isn't very long IMO. The solution is to gather together 6-12+ dedicated breeders to work together to eliminate defects, cotton tail or short toes for example. Which requires a willingness to exchange eggs, chicks or mature birds.
So what do we give roosters to lower their hormonal levels;)
Joe
 
The solution is to gather together 6-12+ dedicated breeders to work together to eliminate defects, cotton tail or short toes for example. Which requires a willingness to exchange eggs, chicks or mature birds.

The short toes can be caused by a dominant gene, thus relatively easy to counter act. When you can't see it it's gone. Unfortunately it can also be caused as a congenital defect, more common feather shanked birds but not unknown in clean shanked ones.

So what do we give roosters to lower their hormonal levels

Extract from the History of the breed,Marans Club de France
"The fighting cocks, of many varied colours, are the origin of various
present Marans varieties, and are responsible for the proud bearing, heavy figure, and of the sometimes quarrelsome character of the cocks."
David​
 
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Did he post it somewhere else? Or are we still patiently waiting for him to post on this thread? :)
 
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Just returned last night. I stayed an extra day to do some sight seeing, but did not know that they shut down and roll up OK on Sunday.

The verdict on the white feathers in wings etc of the Marans is: that unless the Standard for the Marans specifically states that white in the wing tail etc is a DQ, it will be a fault. However...if it is a positive white (no shading of the color it is supposed to be on either side of the feather) it will be considered a DQ under the foreign color section of the DQ's.
In reality NO bird with white or shades of white where it should not appear will ever do well in a show. That is the same for fluff showing. The white is only an issue if you show birds, but if you continue to disregard it, you will eventually have an off colored bird.

I checked the ABA Standard and do not see white as a DQ unless the color variety requires it.

If it were me and I do show birds, I would cull ruthlessly to eliminate it.

Walt
 
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Just returned last night. I stayed an extra day to do some sight seeing, but did not know that they shut down and roll up OK on Sunday.

The verdict on the white feathers in wings etc of the Marans is: that unless the Standard for the Marans specifically states that white in the wing tail etc is a DQ, it will be a fault. However...if it is a positive white (no shading of the color it is supposed to be on either side of the feather) it will be considered a DQ under the foreign color section of the DQ's.
In reality NO bird with white or shades of white where it should not appear will ever do well in a show. That is the same for fluff showing. The white is only an issue if you show birds, but if you continue to disregard it, you will eventually have an off colored bird.

I checked the ABA Standard and do not see white as a DQ unless the color variety requires it.

If it were me and I do show birds, I would cull ruthlessly to eliminate it.

Walt

Walt, thanks for the info. on the white feathers, just about what I was thinking all along.

Thanks everyone for the time on BYC as I am leaving the forum for other committment at present. Best to all, Don
 
i susspect whetens have had fluff for years and years , so much that no one can produce a single picture that i can clearly see a wheaten marans rooster wiith no fluff at base of tail . from what little reading the past few years i understand the presley line goes back a long time many generations over 100 and most likely ten times that have been breed with fluff and the wheatens have not turned off color in the sence of white all over or anything , what should we exspect to see in off colors ? please forgive me and understand i am 2 years new to marans and 5 or 6 years new to chickens , and i am also talking about only fluff at base of tail not in wing or anywere.. i never have whit in wings on my few(12) wheaten marans from presley,davis lines
thank you for your post always
ps i could always show hens only lol


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Just returned last night. I stayed an extra day to do some sight seeing, but did not know that they shut down and roll up OK on Sunday.

The verdict on the white feathers in wings etc of the Marans is: that unless the Standard for the Marans specifically states that white in the wing tail etc is a DQ, it will be a fault. However...if it is a positive white (no shading of the color it is supposed to be on either side of the feather) it will be considered a DQ under the foreign color section of the DQ's.
In reality NO bird with white or shades of white where it should not appear will ever do well in a show. That is the same for fluff showing. The white is only an issue if you show birds, but if you continue to disregard it, you will eventually have an off colored bird.

I checked the ABA Standard and do not see white as a DQ unless the color variety requires it.

If it were me and I do show birds, I would cull ruthlessly to eliminate it.

Walt
 
Walt, do you have any advice to lend for those seeking to breed out the white fluff at the base of the tail?

Have you ever encountered this trait in any other breed?
 

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