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    I may be growing my own food for the chickens after all, due to genetic editing

    That is a partially-true (as in has a few elements of truth) description of a single reason for gmo. There are many reasons for gmo. The latest I've seen talked about is this one last week. I don't have much trust in any news source but will eventually try to find their sources and see if I...
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    I may be growing my own food for the chickens after all, due to genetic editing

    The history of feed evaluation for ruminants, with special emphasis on the Nordic countries. M Riis Weisbjerg, Marketta Rinne, R Spörndly, A Ekern, OM Harstad Link. And Methods of analysis for predicting the energy and protein value of feeds for farm animals AJH Van Es, JM Van der Meer...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    Wow!, that is a tremendous difference. Some species of birds vary a tremendous amount too - song birds that eat nearly all plants as adults but brings almost only insects to their nestlings. Yes, given the chance, chickens will eat different things in hot weather than in cold weather. Some of...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    About high-yielding hybrids, I think it is the "high-yielding" that is the problem for a cafeteria (or free range) system rather than the "hybrid" part. In discussions about several aspects of chicken keeping (not just feed systems), I often see blips about selecting heritage breeds to get...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    The Principles Underlying Choice Feeding Behaviour in Fowls—with Special Reference to Production Experiments BO Hughes World's Poultry Science Journal 40 (2), 141-150, 1984 Link "...In both types of investigation it was clear that metabolic and nutritional requirements were not the only...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    The principles underlying choice feeding behaviour in fowls—with special reference to production experiments BO Hughes World's Poultry Science Journal 40 (2), 141-150, 1984 Link to the intro "...The central thesis, that fowls possess an effective self-selection mechanism, is not in dispute...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    Hm, maybe not. They also raised chicks from eggs of the same pullets as the cafeteria fed chicks. One week younger. They fed them the same Missouri ration as in the trial and got as much variation in size and growth rates as the cafeteria fed chicks in the trial. So, it seems likely that the...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    I agree the experiment wasn't perfect. Among other things, they used chicks hatched from pullet eggs. And they moved the chicks eating the Missouri ration from the battery brooder to a colony house at 4 weeks but did not move the cafeteria chicks. Maybe the smallest chicks were malnourished...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    We have backyard chickens - not commercial flocks or processing facilities. Differing growth rates can be an advantage in some systems. I would because of this. And because commercial feeds have limitations. I might prefer to deal with different limitations instead. Such as messing with...
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    Osteoporosis

    Also, the Japanese channel had a segment of the value of the "sumo squat" for strengthening the core and lower body. A quick netsearch found info on some of the benefits for non-sumo wrestlers and on how to do it. Except the Japanese channel had people lifting their feet (up to about knee high)...
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    Osteoporosis

    I have trouble with applications of nutritional profiles like this chart since seeing where some of them get their numbers. But this one may be worth some thought. Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation but I know I have a bone problem and how much I like any given veggie (fruit and...
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    What are your frugal and sustainable tips and tricks?

    You might use toggles instead of washers - to fit under the rim better and spread the load further along the rim. My grandpa would make an eye in the end of a rope by separating the each ply of the end and the opening up the twists further down the rope enough to work each ply into the opened...
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    Fermented feed for chickens

    Most fish will die of suffocation in open jars too if the water isn't aerated. Siamese fighting fish are notable exceptions. They need oxygen in the water too but not nearly as much as most fish. Their native environment is small, stagnant pools. By "open jar" - think fish bowl, fish tank...
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    Needing Feeding Advice

    There is something to the Henhouse Reserve with crumbles having too much calcium to be best for non layers like your pullets. Maybe that one pullet was extra sensitive to the extra calcium or maybe it was something else. In your shoes, I would give them two feeders. One with the Henhouse...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    This is here so I can find it later for my own exploring. Link to this list of references that include things like nonessential amino acids being limiting factors in some situations. And info about the roles and interactions of some of the amino acids.
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    Equipping the coop and run

    In the combined coop/run, all deep bedded. Many options work well. I put the feed pan (stainless steel dog dish) in a weighted pail (sand filling it about half way, dog dish setting on the sand or hanging from the rim depending on which pail and which dog dish) to elevate it to a little less...
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    What are your frugal and sustainable tips and tricks?

    Hawaii and California are outliers (35 and 42 cents per kilowatt hour). All the rest make an almost even curve up from 11 cents to 30 cents. That is averages of each state. Some states have the same price across that state, others vary by 25% within that state. Numbers as of autumn of 2025. And...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    Interesting... Why don't they always choose wisely
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    Link to this published article Can the Chick Balance Its Ration? E. M. F U N K University of Missouri, Columbia The picture is the conclusions of the above study. I couldn't get it to copy/paste. I'll add different ones later Edit to add a paper that talks about several studies, with...
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    No wonder chickens fed cafeteria style select each element in about the same proportion as it is in the old mixed feeds

    I thought so too until I saw multiple studies besides the one referenced in the first post of this thread. It isn't as easy as just setting out a few containers of food. Or, even many containers, necessarily, But it isn't as nearly as far fetched as I thought for a long time.
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