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  1. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    A.) Same issue here, and I'm a lot closer to "chicken county", I expected that to be the case. B.) Agree, it is available to you. Worse comes to worse, if its available enough and cheap enough, use it in the coop w/ a deep bedding/deep litter system.
  2. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    Somebody just hand it off bar and stuck it out if it's not inconvenient to you yes please do and if it's easier to just snap a couple of photos with your cell phone that's fine too I honestly don't expect that they'll have Nutri balancer but if they do that would be great
  3. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    @aseatmon have you looked around to see what ingredients you can get at the local farm stores? sorghum, oats (rolled or whole?), and kind of field peas, seeds, nutribalancer, etc? also, any agriculture "products" like soy, peanut, or safflower meals?
  4. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    Yes, that's the Seminole Milk Pellets I linked above. Wish it disclosed the Met content. But being soy / whey based, it should be better than most other plant sources. Lys is extremely good as well, though not really needed in these numbers for OP's purposes.
  5. U_Stormcrow

    Stormcrow's Hobby Farm

    No, I am not currently under this line of storms. Yes, I think it fair to say that the FL Panhandle/Wiregrass area is getting "damp". Not showing on current radar, it was mist to light rain beginning about 3am, and hasn't stopped. Doubt I will need to water the gardens this week. ;)
  6. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    That has wheat the original poster won't be able to use
  7. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    I don't see pricing, but Seminole feeds says they have THIS. I can probably build a feed around it. DO you have a local dealer that you've seen carrying this, and how much was it priced at??? I don't want to provide a formulation that outrageously expensive for you, if it can be avoided.
  8. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    I think i can work w/ that.
  9. U_Stormcrow

    Corn, Wheat/Gluten Free DIY feed

    @aseatmon Welcome to BYC and GOOD LUCK on your chicken keeping journey. I am NOT an expert, this is NOT my day job. I am, however, paged to these sorts of questions because I've done some reading and actually built a calculator from scratch as a way of testing (some) of my understandings. I...
  10. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    And sadly, even US feed labels don't often disclose the energy density of the feed, whether AME, AMEn, MKe, or some other measure.
  11. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    I'll have to watch the videos. I'm a proponent of certain AAs at levels normally associated with above minimum recommended CP levels and I'd readily agree that focusing solely on CP is both the wrong measure and like filling your Porsche w good gas but no coolant, oil, transmission fluid, or...
  12. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    I'm not following your math here, and I'm not certain which feed you are talking about - I can make some generally accurate guesstimates about typical US feeds, but I am MUCH MUCH MUCH worse about making those guesses w/ the common feeds I see used on your side of the pond. If we get deep...
  13. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    Don't let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good. I certainly don't. Though I do feel that I've read (and continue to read) enough that I have a good understanding of the tradeoffs I'm making, even if they can't be precisely quantified. You might enjoy this, too. Its both very general and...
  14. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    and to get back on track, since we are talking about fat and protein and energy in diets, I dug up this old study (pdf). It has problems. Too few birds, too short of study period, primarily. Doesn't address AA balance at all - which would probably explain some of the less obvious results -...
  15. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    Sadly, and with apologies for the hijack, most of my days start w/ drugs. three cups of back coffee. Then I grumble till lunch. 0/10, do not recommend. But thank you for the suggestion
  16. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    Sure, but that's really an MKe consideration, not a protein consideration - except insofar as daily protein intake is a part of that formula (together with carbs and fat). Protein conversion to fat is also a highly inefficient process (generates a lot of heat) as compared to converting carbs to...
  17. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    One of the reasons how to feed chickens is among the best studied subjects on the planet is because its key to feeding large amount of humans AND because chickens are used as human analogs for health studies. I also do better over the course of the day w/ protein first thing in the morning, not...
  18. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    and in the case of "meat birds" like the Supermarket Frankenchicken, the Cx ("CornishX"), needs for Met and Lysine are both much higher to support those freakish rates of growth. Among other things, Met is key in connective tissues - skin, tendons, the digestive tract and Lysine is key to...
  19. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    Yes, this is absolutely true - but that fat can't be turned back into critical AAs, just used to meet energy needs.
  20. U_Stormcrow

    new research debunks trad views on nutrition

    Depends on age, breed, purpose. In the case of dual purpose birds (barely studied), we have to make educated guesses. In general, based on a 100g diet, a Met inclusion of 0.3% is the old recommend for an adult production hen under commercial condition in her prime production period (generally...
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