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There were also some other odd things about our orders. All of the first batch of chicks had wing feathers when we got them, they COULD NOT have been day old chicks. And some of them had longer wing feathers than others had - there were obviously two different aged chicks in the box, and the...

We also got a chick that was blind. The eyes had no slit in the lid. Now, that is something that was visible, and they should have checked that before shipping. If a hatchery says they will represent the breed, then characteristics not typical of the breed are something they should replace...

Currently raising some chicks ordered from Ideal. Cochin Bantam assorted colors have done very poorly, close to 50% mortality rate so far. They do not have the instinct to eat anything except mash. They are getting a well balanced variety diet (to prepare them for free ranging), and about half...

Ooooh. We could branch out into forgery also, and forge a bill of sale! Oh, the tragedy of it. Making criminals out of people who want to be self-sufficient! Laura

It is some kind of State Poultry Export Health Certification or something like that. Like I said, our people weren't exactly helpful, so they won't (or can't) tell me specifics, or send me an example. Laura

Ok, the vet certificate has to be issued on a state provided form (from the state of origin). Many states will provide a vet certificate when selling birds out of state, you'd have to call your State Vet and ask about that. So the procedure would be different than just having your vet do a...

I am determined. I am determined to get quail, and to raise them successfully. I have Crohn's Disease. So do two of my kids. Quail eggs and meat are easier to digest than those from chickens. We need the nutrients. We don't absorb protein very well from most store meats, and we can't break it...

Actually, the permit was free. There is one that costs, if you want to raise them commercially. We may do that eventually, if we can get them going. I suspect there may be a fairly decent market for them in Wyoming, since it is so hard to get them otherwise! Laura

Actually, Wyoming has the lowest population of all 50 states. Less than 1 million. One other wrinkle - the Permitting Officer knows us by name. If anyone would catch their attention, we would. It is a small state - she used to be Game Warden here, and knows us personally. Laura

Well, I already have the possession permit. They'll check up on me. If I have quail and cannot show a sales receipt, I will be prosecuted for not obeying a law that the state could not tell me how to obey! I'd buy eggs, but the incubator we have is not going to be sufficient to hatch them. It...

The permitting officer is the one who supposedly checks the certificates. She says it has to be on official state letterhead - issued from the state. That isn't what the regulation says AT ALL. But she says that is all she ever gets, and that it meets the requirements. I am still not getting...

Back to WFG... The permitting officer says that all that is needed is a certificate of veterinary inspection, issued by the state of origin. She says that is all she ever receives from any shippers. Contacting one of the regular pheasant shippers, to clarify with them, what their form says. I...

Wow... what a headache! The Wyoming state livestock board (which oversees the state vet's office) has NO knowledge of the forms needed for gamebirds. They ONLY have the requirements for poultry. So I called Game and Fish. They said THEY didn't know, maybe I should talk to the permitting...

Ok, throwing this out there just to see if it catches anything... I am a web developer - I have my own server for hosting, and build sites in systems that allow the owner to make changes to their own site. Is anyone interested in swapping health certified quail shipped to Wyoming for website...

I wasn't able to find the email address - and I did look! Thanks! I'll talk details with you when things get closer. Laura

Oh, and as to getting them in state... VERY difficult. Limited choices as to breed, and very limited numbers available. It really isn't worth driving 5 hours across the state to pick up 2 birds. So the regulations don't so much hinder people from importing, so much as they hinder people from...

Yes, Game and Fish has to provide the form - I can't find it anywhere either. Unfortunately, the state of Wyoming considers that quail are quail, native or not, and you have to jump through the hoops for Coturnix as well as Bobwhite. In fact, the state claims ownership of ALL gamebirds in the...

I believe that Game and Fish has to approve the form - they do accept the NPIP 9-3 or whatever it is (my brain is pretty scrambled by all of this at this point!), which is a vet certification - a lot of breeders actually keep those on hand, pre-signed, which they date and send (not exactly what...

I believe that the list of diseases on the NPIP form must be vet certified. The rest is just a statement. Laura

Following up on that Craigslist ad - thanks! He does know someone who raises quail, getting me in touch with them. We'll see if that pans out. Sumatra503, can you provide vet certification on all the points? I have also found one hatchery that will do it all, for a fee of $75 on top of the...