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You present a sensible argument, but there are few things which you overlook. Sure, live and let live, I'm all for it, but unless your flock is 50% cocks and 50% hens, or thereabouts, you're as much a part of the problem as these exhibition breeders which you seem to assume all "kill off"...

Quote: I know. I think it's sad. I 100%, completely, totally agree. Well, I guess I "recognize" that we are in the minority, more than I necessarily think it is sad per se. If someone wants to think of a chicken as a pet, I suppose that is totally up to them. Truth be told, I have some...

Quote: All true. You hit on the best term, credibility.

Those of us who consider our chickens as livestock are already in the minority here. I know. I think it's sad.

First of all, the correct name of the breed is Naked Neck, not "turken". "Turken" was devised at a time when more of the public were rural and ignorant, before we became more educated as a society, and before many of the consumer protection laws were around to help call attention to the need for...

Quote: I couldn't agree with you more, but you are a conscience breeder that takes great pride not only in your birds but you good name:) This is a bit off topic but what are your thoughts on the term "show quality"? I'd love your feelings on this over used word...... Shari Oh gosh, that's...

Quote: I agree, but in my example, it's not so much an issue of making money. Yes, this individual will sell a few chicks at swap meets for a few dollars, and you can bet she'll use her hype to try to impress any ignorant customers. Hers is really a child-like pastime, not an attempt to make...

Quote: That's a problem that we have in the fancy too, a lack of seeing the big picture. Unfortunately, exactly what he DID is to disillusion her. Now she feels that she has a show bird. Wait until she enters under another judge who does take a little time to try to educate her. She'll then be...

What "should" happen and what "does" happen are two different things. BINGO! On the surface, I don't mind so much if a hatchery type bird places first if it has no competition, as long as it's clean and in good health and feather, and unless it's markedly different from the standard, such as...

Quote: I'm not that deep. Just chose it quickly to illustrate an example, using an uncommon breed which many people here aren't quite familar with. Could have been anything, Lamona, Catalana, Asil.....

I don't know if I can handle this. Two supporters, back to back. I'm going to get a big head.

Amazing what people can read into something, if they want to, isn't it?

Quote: This is my goal. I don't show nor do I want to, but I am trying to raise birds that meet the SOP. I doubt I live long enough to have a SOP for my Marans, but the others I'll keep breeding and culling and hopefully do justice for the breeds I've chosen to raise. Actually, you probably...

Quote: Professional, You make it sound like rare breeds should not be bothered with. Anyway, I am still waiting for a ribbon to be pinned on my 'obscure' breeds. Maybe when the judges are more familiar with them that will happen. You and a few others seem to have a knack for making...

Quote: Thankfully, you are one here who gets it. Although a novice to exhibiting poultry, you are no amateur. I'm now ashamed to admit that I started out exhibiting dogs too. You can have it, but one thing it did instill in me is a certain sophistication, and a true understanding of the nature...

Quote: In MOST cases, only one bird entered = first place, unless it's horrible, like NYREDS wrote. I've seen it happen too, when a poor bird get's a second, but it's few and far between. In most cases the judge just doesn't have the time to waste even thinking about what to do with some of...

Quote: The ABA standard is nice, especially the new pocket version, (love that idea), but if you want to save money, buy the APA standard. It covers largefowl, bantams, ducks, geese, turkeys, and if you can wait for the new edition coming out, any day now, we're frequently assured, guinea fowl...

Quote: SURE it is. And just about every hatchery or swap meet purchase entered by it's present owner (not the breeder) with no competition, but which has a cutesy name, and wins a first place ribbon is one of those "excellent examples of its breed". SURE it is.

Quote: I agree, but there's more to it. Even at real, legitimate shows, those sanctioned by the APA, we see people who enter some obscure breed or variety, have no competition, and try to fool everyone, including themselves, into thinking that they have something worthwhlie when they win a...

The amount of information in the post is well within these parameters. I disagree that the use here is covered. It wasn't used as an educational post, not was it an "exerpt" for use in a review. The purpose here was to help someone get around purchasing the copyrighted information. People need...