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  1. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Good morning to you too, Pink!
  2. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: Thanks for this! That was my thinking when I decided to approach this but I started second guessing a bit because it can get overwhelming. I'd decided to go ahead anyway and just have fun with it, but it's good to see that even on a smaller scale/longer timeframe you can still make a...
  3. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: This all confirms what I have said about single and double mating to get good female and good males. Thanks, Don Forgive me yet again: single mating I gathered was one male, one female, but what is double mating?
  4. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    That's been very helpful VillageChicken! Thanks. So where does egg color fit into all this talk about breed standards and type? As pretty as a Black Copper might be I wouldn't have the slightest interest in having them in the flock if it weren't for the egg color after all...
  5. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: I think so. Are you saying that once you've removed the wheaten gene you obviously won't be getting any wheaten chicks but the mahogany and melanizers are still missing from the Black Coppers? If this is the case then it would be either impossible or very difficult to produce a...
  6. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    My aunt used to keep a small flock for eggs and meat on her farm, but I think they disbursed them a couple years back. No, mostly my family thinks my husband and I are a little "different" for keeping the chickens and goats. My mom did have a few hens and a goose years ago for eggs, but she...
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    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: I absolutely love it for 9 months out of the year. During the hottest, most humid 3 months I vow to move nearly every day. Have you always been a Washingtonian? I still have a lot of friends and family in your area.
  8. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    This is unrelated, but Hey! I was born at Good Sam in Puyallup, as was my mom.
  9. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: Yes, this is the reason for the single mating after all the obious faults are culled. Some say they do not have these faults, the only thing I can say show me the Poultry. The male will show more of these faults than the female. Don So, are you telling me I shouldn't mix wheatens and...
  10. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Ok, I see. So then you are also culling the Black Coppers without obvious wheaten influence that produced the chicks that DID exhibit wheaten influence? It almost seems like you would have to start completely over even if you had some nice looking BCs from the lines that are producing wheaten...
  11. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Oh, don't they just love the compost!!
  12. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: I'm still not understanding if you're culling those with wheaten influence because you're concerned they may carry the recessive gene and it'll show up in future generations or if you're culling for white feathers/brown fluff because these traits are undesirable in and of themselves...
  13. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    This IS fun! The endless possibilities are what make genetics so darned interesting!! What direction I go in with my breeding program at this point won't be determined solely by what others are culling for anyway since I only have what I have and if I waited for perfect birds to start I'd...
  14. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Yes, pics!
  15. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: So this is probably taboo, but I'd love an honest survey in regard to how many breeders (breeding BCMs to the proposed APA standard) still have wheatens (OR wheaten influenced birds with or without the suspected gene) pop up?
  16. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: So if a correctly colored BC can carry the recessive gene and an imperfectly colored bird can be without then in the long term culling on the basis of wheaten influence alone isn't enough. You would have to first know if it's carrying the gene at all, right? Or Debbi are you saying...
  17. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: So if a correctly colored BC can carry the recessive gene and an imperfectly colored bird can be without then in the long term culling on the basis of wheaten influence alone isn't enough. You would have to first know if it's carrying the gene at all, right? Or Debbi are you saying...
  18. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    For those that breed to the French standard, what is the general consensus on Black Coppers carrying the wheaten gene? Or is there just as much debate about it?
  19. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Also, since it's recessive, wouldn't using a rooster carrying the gene allow me to determine which of my hens carries it? Otherwise I could still end up with chicks having one copy of the gene, just from the hen rather than the rooster. That doesn't seem like an improvement...
  20. n.smithurmond

    Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

    Quote: I see. I'm not arguing for or against anything, just trying to understand the argument. But if breeders are culling for these that means they're still showing up, right? So are all breeders with wheaten influenced birds popping up not using pure/true Black Coppers? Don, you...
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