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Will do. I posted my last massive rant before seeing his post. Sorry Opa. Though for such a contentious issue with strong feelings on all sides methinks we did pretty well keeping it civil, yay!

Quote: . Whoa - edited to add that I just read about the $80,000. That does seem high for 17 years. I have never heard of a teacher earning that, is it in SanFran with it's really high cost of living? Most I know with 17 years in are in the 40's or really low 50 range. --- The math is a...

Most teachers are at school at least an hour before (prep) and an hour after school (recovery). They generally take home work as well. 30 kids per class, 5 classes a day worth if grading. It's horrendous. Then there is the continuous stream of parent meetings (formal and informal) and email...

Quote: Wow, I respectfully, vehemently disagree. If that were true then the rates for teacher retention would not be nearly as dismal as it is. Half of all new teachers don't make it beyond year 5. That is after dedicating at least 5 years in college and spending at minimum $25,000 on their...

I would like to second what chickenlady said, and add that one of the biggest obstacles to teaching nowadays is discipline. The levels of disruptive behaviors by some students is astounding. Their behavior puts up a barrier to not only their own learning, but to the class at large. One or the...