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I was just saying that the Organic label didnt mean what I thought it was, I was thinking more of a Salatin style system. I also am not saying that its the organic that causes this, Im just trying to say that there is not as much difference between organic and commercial production.

Organic has to do with the treatment of animals too, he said he had to have a certain sq ft per bird and had to have the birds have access to the outdoors for 120 days. A friend of mine who gets birds from places like this often got some from here too and was in shock of how bad they were...

I will get a picture of the birds I have left in a month and they should look alot better though, this is just a really hard molt and bad feather pecking.... other then that they didnt have any mites or lice which some birds I got from the Amish a few years ago were covered with

I got 200 total, and sold 110 of them. Im saying Organic isnt always what you think it is. This guy knew exactly how many days he needed to let the hens outside, and im pretty sure he barely meets it.

I picked up some old hens from an organic farm and I was amazed at the condition of the birds, pictures say it best. They are in my trailer in this picture.