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I see those too. It's sad to see a cage tag marked "Production" and know that the exhibitor had no clue--thought a bird from a hatchery or feed store would do.

Showmanship doesn't require quality in the bird, but rather tests the knowledge and handling of the bird. Knowing its faults is necessary, but it is okay to use even a mutt bird.

Quote: I know what you mean... See it all the time at the shows.. Chris The proper colour is almost black it is so dark. I don't have RIR (don't care for the breed), but we have a number of very good RIR breeders in the area, and I see their birds at the shows.

Love my chickies!! : 4H is about showmanship and how he handles the bird. I would let him show the calmest bird, regardless of what it looks like. If you want to show conformation, then you need to start worrying about standards, etc. Now, most 4H shows HAVE conformation classes, but they...